New Cycle Advice

[COLOSSUS]

Hello everyone:)

just got my hands on some Test and tren ace hoping to run a mild lean mass/cutting cycle before summer comes and i get to go to the beach:D

need some advice on how to arrange it.

planning on running the test for 10 wks and the tren for 8wks.

thinkin maybe:

test @ 300mgs wks 1-10
tren @ 100mgs EOD wks (?) thats where i get confused. should i start right off with the tren or wait till weeks 3-10?

or maybe i should make it a longer cycle?

i know it doesnt look like much but like i said im goin for a mild - moderate cycle.

any help is appreciated!

thanks



also need help with my nolva protocol.

20mg ED all the way through sound about right?

[chief284]

dude personally if i run anything during i use arimidex, i would not start anti e until week or two after. your base levels stay high for awhile after u inj. Most people like to run the tren late, to harden up the new muscle. I cant tho becasue I get tren flu and lose my gains from not lifting. Everybody has dfferent theoris tho man, I would just see what works best for you. are you only running 300mg test a week?

[COLOSSUS]

thanks for the reply chief ill take that into consideration and get some a dex.

yea i was plannin on only running 300-400 mgs of test a week. is that not sufficient? im not lookin to get bulk up just want to gain some lean mass.

thanks again.

[al the chemist]

I would do 400 mg test a week and why 100 mg of tren eod, you will be feeling the side effects more than benefits...ive responded to as low as 50 mg of tren eod and seem to find that 75 mg eod is the optimal dose to minimize side effects while getting good results. also why not look into tren enanthate so you could shoot once a week.

[COLOSSUS]

I would do 400 mg test a week and why 100 mg of tren eod, you will be feeling the side effects more than benefits...ive responded to as low as 50 mg of tren eod and seem to find that 75 mg eod is the optimal dose to minimize side effects while getting good results. also why not look into tren enanthate so you could shoot once a week.

thanks for the response man. now that you mention it i think ill just start out with 50 mgs eod. especially since this is my first time trying it

i wanted to get tren e but at the time i could only get tren ace but if i end up really liking it im def gonna go for the tren e next cycle.

how do you like tren? im getting alot of mixed reviews. seems that you either love it or hate.

[ROCKETW19]

If only running the test for 10 weeks then start your cycle with tren from day 1. Tren shuts me down very hard as it does most others. you dont wanna try and run PCT at that time. I would run the test for 12 weeks also.
You got lucky getting tren A for your first run. you dont want to get some side you dont like while running tren E it takes way to long to clear. Also good call on droping the dose down.

[bigscott]

why just 10 weeks ??

14 to 16 weeks imo is optimal - 300 mgs is fine

tren a 75 mgs eod would be best imo -- cut it out at week 12

also do you have gyno history ?? if not then why run nolva or any anti e for that matter throughout your cycle ???

its always best to have an anti e on hand just incase of issues but if none arise then no need for an anti e !!! all it does is hamper gains !!! the overuse of anti e's today is so common anymore i just dont get it !!! heres a news flash for you -- you do need estrogen in your body for optimal results --

[usmcdevildoc]

DUDE-- THE AMOUNT OF TEST THAT YOU ARE USING IS PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH TO
AMOUNT TO ANY SIGNIFICANT GAINS IN MASS. Although test is a mainstay (and it really doesn't matter whether you are using cypionate or proprionate-- half life is similar), you need to become more creative in the cycle. For instance, if you want more mass, use at least 2 different agents-- test and perhaps equipoise. To get lean mass masteron or HGH.
Monitor your BP on test and equipoise// also follow your LFTs if you are doing an oral
agent with test/equipoise-- dianabol would be an excellent choice for oral.
DOC

[alwaysgrowing]

DUDE-- THE AMOUNT OF TEST THAT YOU ARE USING IS PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH TO
AMOUNT TO ANY SIGNIFICANT GAINS IN MASS. Although test is a mainstay (and it really doesn't matter whether you are using cypionate or proprionate-- half life is similar), you need to become more creative in the cycle. For instance, if you want more mass, use at least 2 different agents-- test and perhaps equipoise. To get lean mass masteron or HGH.
Monitor your BP on test and equipoise// also follow your LFTs if you are doing an oral
agent with test/equipoise-- dianabol would be an excellent choice for oral.
DOC

cypionate and propianate have similar half lives? I beg to differ on that one

[COLOSSUS]

If only running the test for 10 weeks then start your cycle with tren from day 1. Tren shuts me down very hard as it does most others. you dont wanna try and run PCT at that time. I would run the test for 12 weeks also.
You got lucky getting tren A for your first run. you dont want to get some side you dont like while running tren E it takes way to long to clear. Also good call on droping the dose down.

thanks rocket!

why just 10 weeks ??

14 to 16 weeks imo is optimal - 300 mgs is fine

tren a 75 mgs eod would be best imo -- cut it out at week 12

also do you have gyno history ?? if not then why run nolva or any anti e for that matter throughout your cycle ???

its always best to have an anti e on hand just incase of issues but if none arise then no need for an anti e !!! all it does is hamper gains !!! the overuse of anti e's today is so common anymore i just dont get it !!! heres a news flash for you -- you do need estrogen in your body for optimal results --

thanks guys for the reply i really appreciate it.

and scott, i actually do have gyno problems :hang: every time i run something that makes test go up my nipples go crazy so im def gonna need an anti e while on. this leads me to something iv been wondering. can you fight gyno with letro while running a cycle?

[COLOSSUS]

DUDE-- THE AMOUNT OF TEST THAT YOU ARE USING IS PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH TO
AMOUNT TO ANY SIGNIFICANT GAINS IN MASS. Although test is a mainstay (and it really doesn't matter whether you are using cypionate or proprionate-- half life is similar), you need to become more creative in the cycle. For instance, if you want more mass, use at least 2 different agents-- test and perhaps equipoise. To get lean mass masteron or HGH.
Monitor your BP on test and equipoise// also follow your LFTs if you are doing an oral
agent with test/equipoise-- dianabol would be an excellent choice for oral.
DOC

ill look into that. thanks.

[Bouncer]

can you fight gyno with letro while running a cycle?

yea but its best to run it whole off cycle to really get rid of the gyno.

[ROCKETW19]

cypionate and propianate have similar half lives? I beg to differ on that one

I just noticed he said that? I would have to agree and "beg to differ" also.

[COLOSSUS]

yea but its best to run it whole off cycle to really get rid of the gyno.

thanks B.

iv been using this letro i got from this one site and not from the boards research site because i wanted to save a couple bucks. but the stuff turned out to be SHIT so thats what i get for being greedy and my nips are still sore as a mother. def goin with S-R chems next.

[COLOSSUS]

so i just got some blood work done recently to check on my test levels and they seem to be relatively normal but my nipples are still sore as hell. stupid me didnt ask to get my estrogen checked either so i dont know if my E levels are just out of wack or super high either. hmm

anybody ever experience this? or know what could be going wrong? i havent gotten a chance to talk to my doctor but plan on doing so soon to try n figure shit out.