OK NOOB QUESTION TIME

[COLOSSUS]

first off let me start with a back story. i have a freind that refuses to take testosterone solely on the fact that he believes that it will fuck up his hormone levels and he wont be able to grow and blah blah blah. this kid is still young about around 19 and thinks he knows what he is doing. and i just want to knock some sense into him before he fucks his body up cause i know he is gonna do it reguardless.

question here. if the substance in use lets say EQ cause that is what he wants to take because he believes that if he takes a mild steroid he wont have any problems but i have told him time and time again that he is ooooo so wrong. eq which in fact does effect your HPTA, correct? you need to stack with test, right? he beilieves that he does not have to stack with Test. but ironicaly this in fact will fuck with his hormones even more.

i mean i already know this but i research and research about which drugs you can take with / without test. is it all drugs that affect your HPTA that you have to stack test so that your balls dont die?

iv been doing plenty of research but this is always this thing that gets me in a pickle. idk if this is asking too much but if anyone can explain to me aside from the HPTA decrease how else can i tell whether you have to stack test with other substances. or maybe make a list for me cause im also a bit slow but if not an explaination will do :D this would be a great help. im on the site almost everyday just searching info but can never find like a list which is what im asking for.

asking for a lot i know but it would be great help not just for me but also to show this dbag who believes he knows more about gear than me ( even tho im still relatively newb) but its buggin cause he goes around telin ppl that i dont know shit and i wanna flop my penis on his forehead.


sorry for the vent/info post.


but any posts articles or comments would be greatly appreciated. thanks brothas


<3

[Shibby]

Is he going to do PCT after the eq?

[Bouncer]

i actually question some of the old science that we have followed for so long.

i wonder if a eq only cycle or deca only is really worse then if it were stacked with test.

[COLOSSUS]

Is he going to do PCT after the eq?

yea he has clomid on deck

[COLOSSUS]

i actually question some of the old science that we have followed for so long.

i wonder if a eq only cycle or deca only is really worse then if it were stacked with test.

i got a case of the downs right now and cant understand what you mean :dunno:

[Bouncer]

i got a case of the downs right now and cant understand what you mean :dunno:

yea, you are kind of stupid. lol.

just saying that i am not so sure that a cycle without test is really as bad in terms of shutting you down as we always say it is.

[Shibby]

yea he has clomid on deck

Why does he feel he needs to take clomid if he doesn't feel the EQ will mess with his hormone levels?

[COLOSSUS]

yea, you are kind of stupid. lol.

just saying that i am not so sure that a cycle without test is really as bad in terms of shutting you down as we always say it is.

wow bouncer. pretty sure you bit my head of pleanty of times for wanting to do a cycle without a test base. :slap:

can you elaborate as to why your telling me this now with some info?

is there anyone nice enough out there that can make a list of the certain substances that you do or do not need a testosterone base for? cause thats the thing i can never figure out. or at least give me a clue as to how to figure it out myself. im lost here.

i dont wanna be asking to much of you guys just some help. and if not, point me to some articles that can explain it to me even though ive read plenty that i cannot find what im looking for :hang:

[Bouncer]

wow bouncer. pretty sure you bit my head of pleanty of times for wanting to do a cycle without a test base. :slap:

can you elaborate as to why your telling me this now with some info?

is there anyone nice enough out there that can make a list of the certain substances that you do or do not need a testosterone base for? cause thats the thing i can never figure out. or at least give me a clue as to how to figure it out myself. im lost here.

i dont wanna be asking to much of you guys just some help. and if not, point me to some articles that can explain it to me even though ive read plenty that i cannot find what im looking for :hang:

according to our way of thinking and the science that backs it up, you should really run no steroid without a test base. so as far as a list goes, there is nothing on the list bro.

as for what i said about not being so sure our way of thinking is always correct. i have seen many types of athletes outside of bodybuilding do cycles with just deca or just winny and they come out fine.

[Mr I]

i actually question some of the old science that we have followed for so long.

i wonder if a eq only cycle or deca only is really worse then if it were stacked with test.

I've tried stuff one its own and it really depends what you want to get out of it, for our purposes test is a good base and can work well on its own, as can dbol and those sorts, but thats about it.

[COLOSSUS]

so its better to take a test base but if you dont it shouldnt be too harmful?

k got it.

thanks for all the responses guys <3

[ROCKETW19]

you can take anything you want by its self. I always say add test or take test cuzz as men that is what we are made of. You can take deca all by its self and it will do no more or less harm than if you had test in there. But most as I do, you will feel the effects of no test durring your cycle. Most famous one is deca dick. You have no natural test and no synthetic test so your ding a ling just aint the same.
every drug shuts you down some are just worse than others. Test just makes you not notice while on.

[Bouncer]

so its better to take a test base but if you dont it shouldnt be too harmful?

k got it.

thanks for all the responses guys <3

i get the feeling this thread is asking about you and not a friend. :P

[COLOSSUS]

i get the feeling this thread is asking about you and not a friend. :P

no no my friend is real. i try to tell him that with those chems its best to stack with test as a base since after much research and you getting mad at me on another thread reguarding the matter iv always believed that a test base is best when dealing with other chems that mess with your balls so i have that engraved in my brain....so now your telling me that this is not always the case?:wacko:

uggh im so confused. is there a handbook somewhere that i can read to clear up all this shit? haha

[COLOSSUS]

you can take anything you want by its self. I always say add test or take test cuzz as men that is what we are made of. You can take deca all by its self and it will do no more or less harm than if you had test in there. But most as I do, you will feel the effects of no test durring your cycle. Most famous one is deca dick. You have no natural test and no synthetic test so your ding a ling just aint the same.
every drug shuts you down some are just worse than others. Test just makes you not notice while on.

THANK YOU.


thats all i needed to read.