what do you think of this as 1st cycle? thx

[bm1984]

16 wk.

winstrol 50mg/ day
anavar 40mg/ day
w/ clen 40mcg/day

w/ nolvadex and arimidex @ 20mgs/day and 1 mg/day

anything you would switch up? i was thinking about tren added in but ive heard alot of bad with the very good...

thx guys

[redback]

i think its a crap 1st cycle

[Kiev]

I agree with Redback. Crap.

[Bouncer]

LOL, where to start.

scrap everything in that cycle, worst fucking thing i ever seen.

i assume you have a weight issue since you are using clen and other so called "cutting drugs". its not going to work. you need to get your diet and cardio nailed in for fat loss, its a simple science bro.

you need to get over your fear of injecting, bottom line.

a good first cycle would be:

test enath: 250mg every 5 days for 12 weeks
winny 50mg every other day for the first 5-6 weeks

[Mr I]

Yeah thats a terrible first cycle, I'd say 500mg test enanth per week with 20mg nolva a day and your set

[ROCKETW19]

Not good at all bro. Since no one adressed the anti-Es I will. Even if you did take that cycle there would be no need for all that stuff. Always keep nolva on hand but only use it if you need it.

[Mr I]

Not good at all bro. Since no one adressed the anti-Es I will. Even if you did take that cycle there would be no need for all that stuff. Always keep nolva on hand but only use it if you need it.

I could have sworn you have recomended 6iu GH per day:rofl:

[ROCKILLER]

Yeah thats a terrible first cycle, I'd say 500mg test enanth per week with 20mg nolva a day and your set

x2, and I would start lower on the Nolva dose and increase as necessary.

[ROCKETW19]

I could have sworn you have recomended 6iu GH per day:rofl:

Recomended Never I have said I have takin that many well actually 6 and 2/3 ius per day.
I have recomended 4IUs in the past but Latly I just say you have to figure it out for yourself we are all different.

[al the chemist]

nolva's minimum therapeutic concentrations would not be reached with lower than 20 mgs daily...

[Mr I]

nolva's minimum therapeutic concentrations would not be reached with lower than 20 mgs daily...

Actually yeah I'm reading that alot lately, like even for pct they say 10mg is fine

[Bouncer]

A good 1st cycle with winny????

Just keep it simple; test alone...Why bring in the 17a into it? :wack: Might as well tell a 1st timer to take some Halo too...

shutup dipshit.

a good first cycle is an anabolic and an androgen.

my first cycle was dbol.

but you got a point, test only is a fine first cycle. i just figured since he has all those "cutting" type drugs he wouldnt want to do just test.

[FrankTheTank55]

winny 50mg every other day for the first 5-6 weeks

Why would you say to do it in the first half of the cycle? Wouldnt you want to do it the last part of the cycle to tigten everything up? Just asking...

[Bouncer]

Why would you say to do it in the first half of the cycle? Wouldnt you want to do it the last part of the cycle to tigten everything up? Just asking...

either way really. i think the difference at the end would be small.

[CrankinSteiN]

I agree with the guys that said test only for a first cycle and agree with rocket about keeping nolva on hand but only using it if needed...

Use a long ester like enth or cyp and somewhere around 400 - 500mg per week. Splitting this into 2 shots per week helps keep blood levels good and even but you can get away with one shot per week if you have a hard time with injects. If you are going to use steroids tho you need to get over the fear of injecting and do things properly.