what do you think of this as 1st cycle? thx

[Bouncer]

i would bet $100 bills that this guy read all the responses and still did teh cycle anyway. lol

[redback]

i would bet $100 bills that this guy read all the responses and still did teh cycle anyway. lol

dumbass if he did, wtf your up already what do ya sleep for like 5 hours

[Bouncer]

dumbass if he did, wtf your up already what do ya sleep for like 5 hours

haha, yea, i did last night bro. was up late last night. usually get 8 hours though.

[bm1984]

i would bet $100 bills that this guy read all the responses and still did teh cycle anyway. lol

lol negative.. i appreciate all of you taking the time to reply.. im actually going to order exactly what you told me and hope for the best aswell as train my ass off.. the goal is to cut up and i understand cardio/diet are most important.. i have already shed 25 pounds although i think alot was muscle. anyhow this is what you recommended..

test enath: 250mg every 5 days for 12 weeks
winny 50mg every other day for the first 5-6 weeks

the dude told me the company is mass labs for the winny. anyone heard of? he is working on getting the test enan for me aswell.. he is a pretty big MF and sounds like he doesnt b.s. so im thinking/hoping all is well..

sorry for rambling on here but just to clarify.. this 1st cycle will be 12 weeks long.. take the the winny for just the first 6 weeks every other day aswell as t enanth for the full 12 weeks and as far as the nolv, take only if needed? hey thanks again for your time.

[CrankinSteiN]

you don't need the winny bro... Bouncer (zeus) knows his shit but I have to disagree with throwing winny in for a first cycle... You will get great results from test only as a first cycle and you will know what is working...

[ROCKETW19]

you don't need the winny bro... Bouncer (zeus) knows his shit but I have to disagree with throwing winny in for a first cycle... You will get great results from test only as a first cycle and you will know what is working...

I agree 100%. I would gauarntee you will get the same results without the winny.
You also dont take winny every other day if you go that way. Take it every day.

[Bouncer]

for the last 2 reply's, winny helps test work better, makes available more of the test to be used for muscle building purposes. plus it will give him a "tighter" look then test alone would on the same diet. so i will have to disagree with you guys.

[ROCKETW19]

for the last 2 reply's, winny helps test work better, makes available more of the test to be used for muscle building purposes. plus it will give him a "tighter" look then test alone would on the same diet. so i will have to disagree with you guys.

Ok I will agree with you, If you were taking the cycle but not a first timer. The gains will be so dramatic he would never know the difference if the winny was there or not.
Then lets say he did notice the gains from winny. How would he know if what he liked was from the test or winny.
My opinion is always start with 1 drug and add on to there if you wish with each cycle. You will get a better understanding of your body and how certain drugs make you look and feel.

[Bouncer]

Ok I will agree with you, If you were taking the cycle but not a first timer. The gains will be so dramatic he would never know the difference if the winny was there or not.
Then lets say he did notice the gains from winny. How would he know if what he liked was from the test or winny.
My opinion is always start with 1 drug and add on to there if you wish with each cycle. You will get a better understanding of your body and how certain drugs make you look and feel.

your talking about "gains" when its pretty clear his main goal is to tighten up and get hard.

[Bouncer]

Typical...Just because your answer is not always the best, doesn't mean you need to always have the last word...You've lost your fucking mind...

calm down there slick. dont blow up at me cause your kid wont talk to you. :retard:

[Bouncer]

"Slick"....I like that name...From the movie Heat:)

It was a one time thing; so eat a dick:D

I see your back from your trip...I was hoping your monkey ass would go hiking and slip and fall onto your death:D This way I could pay my respects to your punk ass;)

we did climb a mountain and i was standing on a pretty steep cliff. rock didnt break though. :P

[ROCKETW19]

Can you two hijackers get a room this is a thread about AAS not ASS.

Bouncer I see your point again but you and I both know diet is most important before the drugs. I would never use winny to tighten up unless I was in bodybuilder BF ranges. If not diet then cardio will work just as good and alot safer.

[CrankinSteiN]

gotta agree with rocket again and what he stated about why winny shouldn't be used for a first cycle would be my exact reasoning as well

[Bouncer]

i just don't see the problem in stacking 2 drugs that work well with each other in a first cycle. test and deca, test and dbol, etc..

[ROCKETW19]

i just don't see the problem in stacking 2 drugs that work well with each other in a first cycle. test and deca, test and dbol, etc..

Yes remember we are not talking about you. We are talking to the OP. You and I already went threw the learning process. Lets say the OP took test and winny and his hair started falling out, What was the cause? We would all say the winny but what if it was the test? No one will ever know for sure.
It is just plain common sence to take 1 thing and then add from there. This way you will know what each drug does to your body good or bad.
All I will ever take again is test and only at 250mg per week maybe 500mg but thats it I already know what this does to me and if I would have never learned I might be taking more for no reason.