what do you think of this as 1st cycle? thx

[Bouncer]

Yes remember we are not talking about you. We are talking to the OP. You and I already went threw the learning process. Lets say the OP took test and winny and his hair started falling out, What was the cause? We would all say the winny but what if it was the test? No one will ever know for sure.
It is just plain common sence to take 1 thing and then add from there. This way you will know what each drug does to your body good or bad.
All I will ever take again is test and only at 250mg per week maybe 500mg but thats it I already know what this does to me and if I would have never learned I might be taking more for no reason.

good point.

[Xandar]

for the last 2 reply's, winny helps test work better, makes available more of the test to be used for muscle building purposes. plus it will give him a "tighter" look then test alone would on the same diet. so i will have to disagree with you guys.

A HA caught ya talking good about winny man. lol. Seriously though, I think test with winny is a great cycle and anyone who thinks it's not a mass cycle is just smoking peace pipes. Lean mass is what your looking for not how much water you can fill a bucket with. Dbol, anadrol, ect are for old school minded peeps. You can gain just as much lean mass with say 1gram of prop wk and 100mg ED of winny , if not more than one of those bloater stacks.