1st Cycle Out

[Raider80]

Aight, So I am currently running my fifth cycle, with alot of reading time spent on these boards. My reason for the post is a friend of mine came up to me asking questions. he was wanting to take some wynstral (spelling) for his first cycle. At a ruff estimate he is 45 about 200 with 17% BF. I told him I had two extra bottles of test E he could take. I said 500 mgs of test E a week for 10 weeks would be better then starting with Wynie or any other AAS that was not based with some test. I do have a bottle of D-Bol (liquid) he could front load for four weeks with at 20 mgs a day. I told him I was gonna post on the boards I read and get some comments to show him Wynie is not the way to go for your first cycle...

Thoughts???

[Bouncer]

your talking about winstrol. http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums...rol-stanozolol

and yes you are correct, winstrol alone is a terrible cycle.

[Raider80]

yeah... winstrol... I am horrable at spellin.. haha..

[Xandar]

Although I'm new to the board, I felt the need to speak up a little here for winny. WInny taken at 100mg a day is absolutely phenomenal. I've never felt strength gains like I did with that. 100mgs ED for 10 weeks.

I also wanted to comment on the 500mg Wk for 10 for your bud. Definitely a very common and solid cycle for ones first. I actually like test only cycles over a longer period of time. Just my two cents.

[Bouncer]

Although I'm new to the board, I felt the need to speak up a little here for winny. WInny taken at 100mg a day is absolutely phenomenal. I've never felt strength gains like I did with that. 100mgs ED for 10 weeks.

I also wanted to comment on the 500mg Wk for 10 for your bud. Definitely a very common and solid cycle for ones first. I actually like test only cycles over a longer period of time. Just my two cents.

lol 100mgs of winny for 10 weeks is to much. i would be weak as hell on that much winny for that long because my joints would be dead. you sure you werent using dbol? lol

[liftsiron]

Aight, So I am currently running my fifth cycle, with alot of reading time spent on these boards. My reason for the post is a friend of mine came up to me asking questions. he was wanting to take some wynstral (spelling) for his first cycle. At a ruff estimate he is 45 about 200 with 17% BF. I told him I had two extra bottles of test E he could take. I said 500 mgs of test E a week for 10 weeks would be better then starting with Wynie or any other AAS that was not based with some test. I do have a bottle of D-Bol (liquid) he could front load for four weeks with at 20 mgs a day. I told him I was gonna post on the boards I read and get some comments to show him Wynie is not the way to go for your first cycle...

Thoughts???

I think that you gave some sound advice. I personally would listen if I were him and just do test at 500mgs per week.

[Xandar]

lol 100mgs of winny for 10 weeks is to much. i would be weak as hell on that much winny for that long because my joints would be dead. you sure you werent using dbol? lol

lol... Nope not dbol... It was the BD 50mg yellow tabs. Took two a day. I've been fortunate not to have joint pain while on winny. Although I do experience cramping a lot. My two go to drugs of choice are enanthate and winny. I went through many to find out that's what I like for me. Using them together is what I typically have done as of the last couple years. Anyway, I just wanted to stick up for Winny. I think it's a wonderful anabolic agent.

[al the chemist]

no one doubts the potency of winny, just at the dose your describing joint pain and liver toxicity is inevitable...did you try anything to counter the cramping(ie, potassium or taurine)?

[Xandar]

Please link me to a study or paper that shows inevitable liver toxicity for any 17aa at 12 weeks. Sounds to me like your are still on the" orals cause liver toxicity train " of the 90's menality. There are some new reports however of 17aa not escalating liver values in subjects. It seems that drinking beer all weekend can do more damage to your liver than a 17aa will. I cant wait for the responses to this lol.

[Bouncer]

lol... Nope not dbol... It was the BD 50mg yellow tabs. Took two a day. I've been fortunate not to have joint pain while on winny. Although I do experience cramping a lot. My two go to drugs of choice are enanthate and winny. I went through many to find out that's what I like for me. Using them together is what I typically have done as of the last couple years. Anyway, I just wanted to stick up for Winny. I think it's a wonderful anabolic agent.

yea, i agree that it works great, just kills my joints to the point i become weak so its a no go for me.

[Xandar]

I can agree with you here...I think what's most important is that we need to realize our limits...NOT everyone can take tren at 100mgs EOD for 6 months like I can with liver values staying under the 50's...Some can't even tolerate it past 6wks...On the other hand, you tolerate enanthate well and I fucking hate it.

I've never done winny, but my guess would be that if I did it, I could pull it off just fine...I do agree that a lot of members have this mentality of; "Don't do a 17aa for a long time or, else..."

We have to know what are bodies like and what they're capable of accepting...In order to do that, we have to experiment in different ways...It took a few years to realize prop/tren is my favorite and I can bulk very well with these 2 stacked!

And like you stated above; some that drink a few beers a week, typically can destroy their liver while others drink a shit load and have no side effects on them.

Yeah, I agree with what you said. A lot of times I get on boards and you here the dont do 17aa's for longer than 6 weeks and it's just not true most of the time. But you are right in regards to knowing your body. It takes experimenting with these different esters to know what works for a person.

[al the chemist]

unfortunately youd be hard pressed to find studies or journal articles regarding 17aa's at the described doses, but heres some info...
1)Hepatocellular adenomas associated with anabolic androgenic steroid abuse in bodybuilders: a report of two cases and a review of the literature.
2)Evaluation of acute and chronic hepatotoxic effects exerted by anabolic-androgenic steroid stanozolol in adult male rats.(i know we are not rats but they serve as a model for humans)
3)Hereditary angioedema: Safety of long-term stanozolol therapy(not concerning liver but fyi for your heart)

[Xandar]

And most people don't experiment with themselves to find out what really works...They take whatever "Bob" is taking since it works for him. I've done EQ(didn't do much), Igf(loved the pumps and warmth I had, but too pricey: I get near same results with prop/tren), Test Enanthate(I don't like one thing about it; it blows me the hell up), Drol(did it for 3 weeks and my low back was swollen and killing me), Var(love it, but pricey for the little results you get).

So it all comes down to Prop/Tren ace at 100mgs EOD for both at 6 months cycle; love it!

It takes experimenting to find your combo's.

[Raider80]

Good stuff guys... after all the comments.... He is still stuck on winstrol (to tightn up) lol... He then asked for one bottle of test e... haha.. I asked him, "WTF you gonna do with 10 cc's of test E?" he has no clue.. so I just told him I can't get any gear... I am not in it to help guys out who are not willing to read and get info on what they are about to stick in their body..

his loss..

thanks

[Bouncer]

Good stuff guys... after all the comments.... He is still stuck on winstrol (to tightn up) lol... He then asked for one bottle of test e... haha.. I asked him, "WTF you gonna do with 10 cc's of test E?" he has no clue.. so I just told him I can't get any gear... I am not in it to help guys out who are not willing to read and get info on what they are about to stick in their body..

his loss..

thanks

good call.