First cycle

[NewbieChris]

I've bounced around before and wish-wahsed about this. I'm really ready for this and I want a bulking cycle. I am thinking I will start it in late August, early September. I am hoping to be (still) at about 10-12% bf at that time and its after summer. Right now I weigh 190, but I don't know my bf (but I assume it is in the above range). I will get calipers if I have to. I am 5'11" and I am 24.

My health record is clean and my, except my weight 'issues'.

Here are my thoughts.

12 weeks of test-e at 400 mg / week
3 weeks of winstrol at the end of the cycle

The winstrol is because I'm naturally a fat pig and I am worried test e will make me huge again. I am also worried about gyno.


I also had thoughts about HGH, but I don't know about that. I hear its like a miracle drug, which makes me think not bad for a first cycle, but the consensus seems to be test.

[FrankTheTank55]

You sure your not afraid of needles??? :)

[Ashop]

I've bounced around before and wish-wahsed about this. I'm really ready for this and I want a bulking cycle. I am thinking I will start it in late August, early September. I am hoping to be (still) at about 10-12% bf at that time and its after summer. Right now I weigh 190, but I don't know my bf (but I assume it is in the above range). I will get calipers if I have to. I am 5'11" and I am 24.

My health record is clean and my, except my weight 'issues'.

Here are my thoughts.

12 weeks of test-e at 400 mg / week
3 weeks of winstrol at the end of the cycle

The winstrol is because I'm naturally a fat pig and I am worried test e will make me huge again. I am also worried about gyno.


I also had thoughts about HGH, but I don't know about that. I hear its like a miracle drug, which makes me think not bad for a first cycle, but the consensus seems to be test.

I would suggest 500mg wk of the TEST E for 10 weeks.
You could use the WINSTROL the last 4 weeks of cycle.
Run a small dose of AI or anti E,,and dont forget PCT after cycle.

[Bouncer]

i say run the test, run the winny for the last 4-6 weeks, and run 20mg of nolvadex the whole cycle. in case of gyno.

[CrankinSteiN]

Sounds like you have done your research which is great and test for 12 weeks is a good choice for a first cycle... The winny at the end isn't necessary and it is a myth that winny burns fat so your reasoning doesn't really work... Also whether or not you gain fat during a cycle will be dependent on your diet so thats where you need to do some work if you don't want to gain fat... You could use nolva the whole cycle to help prevent water gain but I wouldn't recommend using it unless you get symptoms of gyno since you will get better gains without the nolva... Don't confuse some water gain with fat gain because water can be dropped easily...

As for the suggestion of using clen during the cycle... Thats a bad idea! You said you want to bulk and adding something that is going to burn precious cals is going to work against you instead of for you... You need to have excess cals to build mass so why use something that is going to burn away cals?? Instead focus on your diet and keep it clean and try not to eat excess amounts of fats especially in the same meal with carbs... Burning fat and building mass are too totally different goals and you need to work on one at a time... You can bulk this time and then run a cutting cycle a bit after that if you want to get a leaner look.

[NewbieChris]

I was hoping to get a few more first thoughts. I thought about Nolva, but I was going to only use it if I saw gyno. It is my understanding that I will know the difference between gyno and fat(?) just not sure.

Also, what does everyone think of HGH as a first cycle? I hear it has little to no side effects.

[NewbieChris]

You sure your not afraid of needles??? :)

I'm afraid of everything.

[COLOSSUS]

I was hoping to get a few more first thoughts. I thought about Nolva, but I was going to only use it if I saw gyno. It is my understanding that I will know the difference between gyno and fat(?) just not sure.

Also, what does everyone think of HGH as a first cycle? I hear it has little to no side effects.

symptoms of gyno usually start with sore sometimes itchy nipples, puffiness and when left unattended will develop into lumps under the skin that will eventually turn into a disk like piece of tissue or fat (whatever it is) above the muscle right under the skin.

i would run the cycle without the nolva so you dont hinder your gains but if you start to feel any kind of symptoms of developing gyno which would be the itchy sore nips hop right on the nolva which should take care of the problem right away. just have the nolva on hand just in case


as far as the gh goes. sure it looks good but its way too much of an advanced drug to be thinkin about for your first cycle. stick with the test first cycle always. you will see great results.

good luck. keep us posted!

[chief284]

Have you ever had problems with gyno before? It is possible, but I know very few eople that have actually had a problem with it. I really would not worry about it. just keep your pct on hand in case and enjoy the compliments that are gonna be coming at you from everywhere. I remember my first cycle better than any other. You are gonna love it. HGH is way too expensvive by the way, unless you are loaded.

[ROCKETW19]

I was hoping to get a few more first thoughts. I thought about Nolva, but I was going to only use it if I saw gyno. It is my understanding that I will know the difference between gyno and fat(?) just not sure.

Also, what does everyone think of HGH as a first cycle? I hear it has little to no side effects.

I love Gh but I am also a big supporter of 1 drug at a time so you can learn about them and what they do to you. I would say 2nd cycle hell ya add in the GH if you get real GH and can afford to run the amount you need you will love it with test.

[Bouncer]

Have you ever had problems with gyno before? It is possible, but I know very few eople that have actually had a problem with it.

i disagree, i know tons of people with gyno.

[chief284]

perople that got it on their first cycle running normal doses of shit? Ilift in a small gym where everyones on and only like 2 out of 30 or 40 have had any problemss, and they were HIGH dosing it.

[Bouncer]

perople that got it on their first cycle running normal doses of shit? Ilift in a small gym where everyones on and only like 2 out of 30 or 40 have had any problemss, and they were HIGH dosing it.

yes, i know tons of people that get gyno just looking at test.

[COLOSSUS]

yes, i know tons of people that get gyno just looking at test.

haha

[NewbieChris]

I forgot two things:

One: The reason I am worried about gyno is because I get itchy nipples occasionally already so I am afraid I won't know the difference without physical signs.

Two: I was thinking about injection sites in glutes and delts. Has anyone every practiced injecting themselves with water or something before using actual chemicals?