Which DNP diet is the best?

[DerCribben]

I've been reading up on the optimal diets for DNP use. All say that carbs are absolutely necessary for DNP to work correctly. My question is, does anybody have any decent educated opinions about whether the 55%carb35%protein10%fat diet or the 33% across the board is the better choice. What worked best for you (if you've done DNP multiple times)?

I plan to start around 200mg for the first 3 or 4 days and then bump up to 200mg at 12 hour intervals for theinterim unless I decide that 600mg ed is necessary later on. I will not go above 600mg daily. At the moment I am carb depleting for three days before I start around Wed.

I am 29
6'1"
280lbs
26%bf

Thanks in advance for your input

DC

[prolangtum]

I did well on isocaloric, 33% everything

[DerCribben]

How were your results (bf% before and after)? How long were you on and at what dosage?

Thanks Pro,
DC

[prolangtum]

600mg of powder per day for 12 days, i lost 7 lbs.

[edouble]

imo dnp sucks it is hell and there is nothing possitive about yellow sweating. just my 2 cents.

[DerCribben]

Originally posted by edouble
imo dnp sucks it is hell and there is nothing possitive about yellow sweating. just my 2 cents.

Uh...Ok...Do you have any advice on which diet seems to work the best on it though?

I think you might have mistook this for the "Please post your suerficial opinions about DNP without bothering to give any good scientific rationale, especially ones about which color my sweat shouldn't be" thread.

This is actually the "Hey, I'm doing a cycle of DNP (starting tomorrow) and I'd like to hear some opinions on which diet works the best on it from people who have more experience than me" thread.

Thanks for your input

DC

[Hyperlite]

speaking from exprience:

a <1200kcal diet with most coming from carbs and proteins works the best. I'm on day 6 of 400mg/day and i've lost about 5lbs(i cheated over weekend).

I noticed that i ate a TON of salad and "good" foods and still lost weight. Over the weekend i had fazoli's and cake and didn't lose any weight, but i also didn't gain any either. When you eat carbs, make sure they are low - mid glycemic carbs.......

I plan on running it for 7 more days and by then i will post pics....


Good luck!

[Hyperlite]

Here is an article i found on the net about carbs vs. fats. I thought it might help you make your decision.....



Here's the proof as to WHY having a HIGH CARB intake while on DNP(if Kcal's are kept the same) is BETTER.

Before I start, Stew, Macro, Cockedzl, Andy etc...
THIS IS AN APPROXIMATION since all bodily processess
are ineffective andtend to entropy.(become chaotic)

Ok, Lets Use Bodybuilder 1 and Bodybuilder 2.

Bodybuilder 1 eats 2000Kcal/day composed of 60% carbs,
30% protein, 10% fat

Bodybuilder 2 eats 2000Kcal/day composed of 40% fat/30%
protein/ 30% carbs (Basically a zone-type diet)

Now:

Carbs convert to glucose with 100% efficiency
Protein converts to glucose with 58% efficiency and the
rest is ketones.
Fat converts to glucose at 10% and the rest are ketones.

Ketones btw=Fats

DNP, btw BURNS DIETARY FAT BEFORE STORED FAT.
REMEMBER that fact!!!!!

So,

Bodybuilder 1 produces the following by-products:

60% carbs / 2000Kcal= 1200Kcal/4Kcal/g=300g glucose(carbs)
30% protein/2000Kcal= 600Kcal/4Kcal/g=150g protein,
*0.58%= 87g glucose and 63g ketones.
10% Fat/ 2000Kcal= 200Kcal/9Kcal/g= 22.g * 0.1%= 0.2g
glucose and 2g Ketones.

So, total for bodybuilder 1:

Total Glucose: 387.2g glucose
Total Ketones: 65g Ketones

Bodybuilder 2 produces the following by-products:

30% carbs/ 2000Kcal= 600/4= 150g glucose
30% protein/ 2000 Kcal = 600/4 = 150g protein * 0.58%= 87g
glucose and 67g ketones
40% Fat/ 2000Kcal = 800/9Kcal/g= 88.9g Fat = 8.9g glucose
and 80g ketones.

Total glucose: 245.9g glucose
Total Ketones: 147g Ketones


NOW, LETS COMPARE

HIGHER CARB:

Total glucose: 387.2g glucose
Total Ketones: 65g Ketones

HIGHER FAT:

Total glucose: 245.9g lucose
Total Ketones: 147g Ketones

WHAT DOES DNP ULTIMATELY DO? Render the conversion of
glucose to ATP into HEAT PRODUCTION.

So, bodybuilder 1: Carbs= Heat
Ketones= 65g*7Kcal/g= 455Kcal

And, Bodybuilder 2: Carbs= Heat
Ketones= 147g*7Kcal/g= 1017.5Kcal

(Ketones btw=oxidized fatty acids that yield 7Kcal/gram)

NOW, can you see the MASSIVE DIFFERENCE!!!!!!

Bodybuilder1 WILL CREATE an EXTRA 562.5Kcal
deficit just by macro-nutrient manipulation.
Thats approx. 124% more calories dissipated than
bodybuilder 2. That means MORE ADIPOSE TISSUE
BURNT FOR FUEL.

Therefore, following a high-carb diet while on DNP will increase
adipose tissue burning through caloric dissipation.

Godspeed

[Cubanjuice]

Hey Prolang did you do any cardio while on DNP?

[prolangtum]

Nope, I ran insulin too, and was eating around 3k cals a day. I didnt seem to lose any muscle.

[DerCribben]

Originally posted by Hyperlite
speaking from exprience:

a <1200kcal diet with most coming from carbs and proteins works the best. I'm on day 6 of 400mg/day and i've lost about 5lbs(i cheated over weekend).

I noticed that i ate a TON of salad and "good" foods and still lost weight. Over the weekend i had fazoli's and cake and didn't lose any weight, but i also didn't gain any either. When you eat carbs, make sure they are low - mid glycemic carbs.......

I plan on running it for 7 more days and by then i will post pics....


Good luck!

Most of the carbs I eat are in the form of whole rolled oats with cinnamon and artificial sweetener or Brown rice, and after going Keto for three days I'm definitely looking forward to some. The last time I went keto it was for three weeks and I dont think I wanted carbs this much. I need to keep up the ECA for appetite supression.

[DerCribben]

What are Kcals? K? calories?

DC

[Cubanjuice]

3k cals = 3000 cals

[Hyperlite]

Originally posted by DerCribben
What are Kcals? K? calories?

DC

kcals are the same as dietary Calories(with an upper-case C)

1kcal= 1 Calorie(what the US uses)

1kcal= 1000 calories


it kicks ass, i haven't weighed myself yet, but i'm think i'm to 190lbs and i started at 197lbs about 8 days ago.....

[Cubanjuice]

The k=kilogram=1000. Hyper I thought you'd given up on DNP!?