very short cycles...

[logan]

i have allways been on cycles for no more then max 5 weeks, followed by pct for 5 weeks, sometimes i have also been on diet in the pct to bring back my insulin sensitivity. i have almost allways used steroids with short esters and short halflives(around 48 hours) that way in the long run i gained much better and without so much loss of lean muscle mass, and my body fat% kept on going down as well. the positive sides of this:
1. the receptors in the body will not be broken down as hard as on a longer cycle with more and more steroids.
2. receptor recovery is shorter
3. not so many mood svings from long cycles with bigger and bigger doses
4. you get more out of the juice.

you could say that i took 2 steps forward and 1 step back, meaning that on the steroid cycle i gained 4pounds of muscle and 2 pounds of fat, and on pct and diet, lost 2 pounds of fat and 1 pound of muscle, and then i start all over again.

now i have been thinking on doing perhaps three weeks of bulking and roids, followed by three weeks of low carb diet without steroids. i will off course only use roids with short esters and short half lives. there are a couple of reasons why i have been thinking of this:
1. the receptors will allmost not be broken down
2.receptor recovery is very short
3.perhaps even pct is not needed
4.better insulin sensitivity because of the diet, making the body better at building muscle and burn fat and in general make it sensitive to roids
5. better motivation due to the low fat% and better abillity to put on muscle
6. the chance of crashing after cycle is small, and more gain of quality mass without bloat.

what do you think? will this work?:whistle

[Bouncer]

i have allways been on cycles for no more then max 5 weeks, followed by pct for 5 weeks, sometimes i have also been on diet in the pct to bring back my insulin sensitivity. i have almost allways used steroids with short esters and short halflives(around 48 hours) that way in the long run i gained much better and without so much loss of lean muscle mass, and my body fat% kept on going down as well. the positive sides of this:
1. the receptors in the body will not be broken down as hard as on a longer cycle with more and more steroids.
2. receptor recovery is shorter
3. not so many mood svings from long cycles with bigger and bigger doses
4. you get more out of the juice.

you could say that i took 2 steps forward and 1 step back, meaning that on the steroid cycle i gained 4pounds of muscle and 2 pounds of fat, and on pct and diet, lost 2 pounds of fat and 1 pound of muscle, and then i start all over again.

now i have been thinking on doing perhaps three weeks of bulking and roids, followed by three weeks of low carb diet without steroids. i will off course only use roids with short esters and short half lives. there are a couple of reasons why i have been thinking of this:
1. the receptors will allmost not be broken down
2.receptor recovery is very short
3.perhaps even pct is not needed
4.better insulin sensitivity because of the diet, making the body better at building muscle and burn fat and in general make it sensitive to roids
5. better motivation due to the low fat% and better abillity to put on muscle
6. the chance of crashing after cycle is small, and more gain of quality mass without bloat.

what do you think? will this work?:whistle

i like your concept and all but at 5 weeks max or even shorter you are effectively cutting your cycle short while the steroids are in prime muscle building phase. run your cycle for 8 weeks and you will get more out of it.

you do make some good points that i agree with though.

[logan]

i like your concept and all but at 5 weeks max or even shorter you are effectively cutting your cycle short while the steroids are in prime muscle building phase. run your cycle for 8 weeks and you will get more out of it.

you do make some good points that i agree with though.

thanks..:) the reason why i only do 5 weeks cycle max, is it that if i go beyond
5 weeks i will not gain more mass, at all! i only get fat...:fight:

so i have thinking over some ways to make it more effective...:whistle

the reason why i stop gaining mass and only add fat, i think is not because of the recepter breakdown, but insulin sensitivity/resistans...

[Bouncer]

thanks..:) the reason why i only do 5 weeks cycle max, is it that if i go beyond
5 weeks i will not gain more mass, at all! i only get fat...:fight:

so i have thinking over some ways to make it more effective...:whistle

the reason why i stop gaining mass and only add fat, i think is not because of the recepter breakdown, but insulin sensitivity/resistans...

hmm, after 5 weeks you stop gaining on things like prop? seems like a really short period of time.

[logan]

hmm, after 5 weeks you stop gaining on things like prop? seems like a really short period of time.

it is a short period of time, i have been thing of trying blast and cruise also, but that would much bigger doses, and it will be a chance since i know how short times the juice works..

i do follow the half lifes under injections to, so it should`nt be svings in blood plasma either...

my favorite drugs are test prop, masteron, dbol, tren acetate, end sometimes nandro phenylpropionate...

[Bouncer]

have you ever ran just good old test enath and some dbol? wonder how your body would react with that?

[liftsiron]

i have allways been on cycles for no more then max 5 weeks, followed by pct for 5 weeks, sometimes i have also been on diet in the pct to bring back my insulin sensitivity. i have almost allways used steroids with short esters and short halflives(around 48 hours) that way in the long run i gained much better and without so much loss of lean muscle mass, and my body fat% kept on going down as well. the positive sides of this:
1. the receptors in the body will not be broken down as hard as on a longer cycle with more and more steroids.
2. receptor recovery is shorter
3. not so many mood svings from long cycles with bigger and bigger doses
4. you get more out of the juice.

you could say that i took 2 steps forward and 1 step back, meaning that on the steroid cycle i gained 4pounds of muscle and 2 pounds of fat, and on pct and diet, lost 2 pounds of fat and 1 pound of muscle, and then i start all over again.

now i have been thinking on doing perhaps three weeks of bulking and roids, followed by three weeks of low carb diet without steroids. i will off course only use roids with short esters and short half lives. there are a couple of reasons why i have been thinking of this:
1. the receptors will allmost not be broken down
2.receptor recovery is very short
3.perhaps even pct is not needed
4.better insulin sensitivity because of the diet, making the body better at building muscle and burn fat and in general make it sensitive to roids
5. better motivation due to the low fat% and better abillity to put on muscle
6. the chance of crashing after cycle is small, and more gain of quality mass without bloat.

what do you think? will this work?:whistle

Sorry bro nothing in this post makes a lick of sense. Listen closely androgen receptors DO NOT down regulate, the reason being that their life is measured in hours not weeks, months or even days. So you see your body is constantly replacing the androgen receptors throughout the day. There isn't such a thing as androgen receptor recovery, because individual receptors only last a very short before being replaced.

[Mr I]

I like the look of this concept Logan, in principle at least. Putting the androgen receptor thing to one side. I like the idea of hotting your system with fast acting androgens, training heavy, frequent and hard while upping food intake or alternatively watching your diet and getting some cardio done, all 0ver 4-5 weeks.

I like this because then your own endocrine system doesn't get to harshly suppressed, it will get suprsssed some but you could even do 500iu hcg starting after the first week for 4 weeks. Then finish, cut your training back some and cruise naturally for 3 months then hit your system again.

When I eventually start back up, if I do, I like the idea of prop and anavar for curing cycle possibly with winny, then for a bulk dbol and prop again.

You really need to try and make the best of those 4-5 weeks with eating and training to maximise the benefits.

[liftsiron]

It only takes a short time when exo test is introduced into the system to signal the HTPA to stop producing LH and FSH so you wouldn't be any less depressed in five weeks than you would be in 12. The only difference would be with proper PCT you wouldn't be depressed for as long a period but only because the cycle is shorter. I don't know of a single competitor, amateur or pro that advocates short cycles. I have seen a few advocates of short cycles on the boards, I have yet to see any reasoning based on science however in regard to short cycles. I have my doubts that certain advocates even weight train.

[Bouncer]

good old test enath and dbol for me!

[ROCKETW19]

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1. the receptors in the body will not be broken down as hard as on a longer cycle with more and more steroids.
2. receptor recovery is shorter
3. not so many mood svings from long cycles with bigger and bigger doses
4. you get more out of the juice.

No offence but where in the hell did you come up with this stuff?
1. see lifts iron post
2. see lifts iron post
No one could of said it better than lits did. that info is straight outta a book.
3. I have never seen anyone have mood swings on steroids. execption I have seen 1 or 2 guys on tren. I have seen lots of friends on juice.
4. you said you gained 2 lbs in 5 weeks I am sure more than 5 people on here will say they have gained 10 or more lbs in 10-12 week cycles of test E alone. You have to give the steriod time to change your body and your body needs time to change

[liftsiron]

For bulking up a bit I prefer Test E and Tren E or Deca.
For cutting I use Test E and Tren E or Deca.

[Bouncer]

3. I have never seen anyone have mood swings on steroids.

oh i have..

myself included.

[ROCKETW19]

oh i have..

myself included.

Was it tren?

[ROCKETW19]

For bulking up a bit I prefer Test E and Tren E or Deca.
For cutting I use Test E and Tren E or Deca.

yep its all about the diet.