Test E only vs EQ only - First Cycle

[Buzzatron]

I know this first cycle question comes up alllllll the time but i have some issues....

Now the debate stands.
Test E only(250-400mg/wk vs EQ only(??mg/week) for 12 weeks..

I would say my goal is to add about 10-15lbs.

Current i weigh a lean 175 give er take 2-3lbs. 5'10" tall.

Diet/Day would be

5:30 - 6 Egg whites, juice, oatmeal, Fish oil, Multi, CLA+Green tea extract
7:30-8:00 - Shake
10:30 - 11:00 Sanwhich loaded with either chicken,turkey,roast beef. Cottage Cheese
1:00 - Left-overs Chicken/fish/Beef and some veggies. CLA+green tea extract
3:30 Shake plus apple/banana BCAA
4:30-6 Gym
Post- half scoop protein with some gatorade, multi vitamin.BCAA
7-7:30 Dinner- Chicken/fish/Beef and some veggies(usually low GI)CLA plus green tea
** also usig a lot of olive oil in my cooking for added calories.
Before bed - cottage cheese , HGH booster amino acid complex

I have bounced back and forth between AS'. I know Test is the most recommended, but when i read:

Water Retention: Yes, high
High Blood Pressure: Yes

i grow worried. Mostly because i hover around the 130/70 range(note: i also suffer white coat hypertension!). Maybe im just paranoid, but i was reading that BP
usually jumps about 20 points on gear, thus would be my reasoning for the low dose of test(250mg/wk) or straight EQ

ON the other hand i was reading that Test smoothens your blood vessels and helps blood flow easily to other tissues..
Is the reason for the hightening of the blood pressure due mostly to the water weight? Would running Nolva(10mgED) through
the cycle help keep bloating at bay? or would i not see much bloat at low levels. Am i just over analysing this?

What are your thoughts?

[gymratin]

u dont wanna do a eq only cycle. test only @ 400-500 would be ideal

[Bouncer]

again, people have to understand this. when you run any steroid you will shut down your natural test levels. so in effect, if you run an eq only cycle your test levels will be much lower then when you were on nothing. you need some test in any cycle. if you want the sides to a minimum you can run low dose (200mg) of test with a higher dose eq.

[Buzzatron]

so 200mg test and 400mg EQ would be ok?

[hitmansb]

so 200mg test and 400mg EQ would be ok?

That would be a fantastic first cycle.

[Bouncer]

so 200mg test and 400mg EQ would be ok?

sure.

[CrankinSteiN]

I still think you would be much happier running test alone at 500mg per week for a first cycle

[Buzzatron]

OK so i got the gear. Funny thing though. The guy i got it off doesnt recommend PCT cause lean guys can use the extra estrogen to add mass. i told him that i thought it was in my best to use Nolva to kick-start my natty test production and it would help me keep my gains. he said dont bother. but he does have it if i need it! He seems a bit old school to me. he is an experienced body builder, who does compete. he is 50 years old though...

[ROCKETW19]

OK so i got the gear. Funny thing though. The guy i got it off doesnt recommend PCT cause lean guys can use the extra estrogen to add mass. i told him that i thought it was in my best to use Nolva to kick-start my natty test production and it would help me keep my gains. he said dont bother. but he does have it if i need it! He seems a bit old school to me. he is an experienced body builder, who does compete. he is 50 years old though...

He is a dumb ass. Take your PCT. You know better let him think what he wants.

[Bouncer]

OK so i got the gear. Funny thing though. The guy i got it off doesnt recommend PCT cause lean guys can use the extra estrogen to add mass. i told him that i thought it was in my best to use Nolva to kick-start my natty test production and it would help me keep my gains. he said dont bother. but he does have it if i need it! He seems a bit old school to me. he is an experienced body builder, who does compete. he is 50 years old though...

dont listen to the old buzzard. he knows not what he speaks. without pct your test levels stay lower for longer and thus loss of gains.

[Buzzatron]

You know what?? Maybe its because im in Canada, but, the very few people i know that take AS dont use PCT. They take Nolva only if signs of Gyno appear. It could be just the generation too i suppose. Not to internet savy. Its too bad because they arent passing along safe/ better practices to the younger generations... I guess in saying that too ,(well in Canada), i guess its like teaching someone how to proficinetly smoke weed. Strange . Thank you Superiormuscle!

[hitmansb]

You know what?? Maybe its because im in Canada, but, the very few people i know that take AS dont use PCT. They take Nolva only if signs of Gyno appear. It could be just the generation too i suppose. Not to internet savy. Its too bad because they arent passing along safe/ better practices to the younger generations... I guess in saying that too ,(well in Canada), i guess its like teaching someone how to proficinetly smoke weed. Strange . Thank you Superiormuscle!

They are ignorant guys who stopped learning in the 80s. You will keep far more muscle and feel better/avoid gyno if you do proper PCT. From here on out, ignore whatever the fuck they tell you about AAS, cycles....and probably nutrition as well. You can get the most up-to-date information here from board vets...just use the old-school local guys as sources and nothing more.

[Buzzatron]

They are ignorant guys who stopped learning in the 80s. You will keep far more muscle and feel better/avoid gyno if you do proper PCT. From here on out, ignore whatever the fuck they tell you about AAS, cycles....and probably nutrition as well. You can get the most up-to-date information here from board vets...just use the old-school local guys as sources and nothing more.

Yea i agree. I will try my best to educate those guys as well. :thumup:

Had my first shot this morning. Went pretty well. When i filled my syringe to my desired amount i ended up getting quite a bit less in the end? do you usually pull a larger than desired amount to compensate for the air bubles and residual lost?

[liftsiron]

I still think you would be much happier running test alone at 500mg per week for a first cycle

This is my opinion as well.

[ROCKETW19]

Yea i agree. I will try my best to educate those guys as well. :thumup:

Had my first shot this morning. Went pretty well. When i filled my syringe to my desired amount i ended up getting quite a bit less in the end? do you usually pull a larger than desired amount to compensate for the air bubles and residual lost?

If you want 1 CC/ML pull out more. I would pull out 1.5 and then push back in untill you hit the 1 CC/ML mark. This way there will be no air in the pin and you will have a true 1 CC/ML