First Timer Seeking Advice

[the art of war]

Just curiously - I know many reasons why you should wait to use. But say he's got his diet on point, his training is down and everything is in tact - why not use after half a year of lifting ? This isn't the case here, not knowing PCT etc .. but just in general, why wait when you can accelerate - if you know and understand the substances and the rest is in order.

[wannabe]

thanks for all of your opinions on this thread..... i'm starting my cycle on wednesday and will shoot 1c (300mg) every 5 days...... i just think that i'm gonna go with that for now..... i mean really why rush it and try to take both of them right off the bat...... i think at 1c every 5 days that should give me a good 12-13 wk cycle....

but yeah my diet is as follows.....
rise at 730 eat 1/2 cup oatmeal with a little natual honey, 6 whites 1 yolk
930 60 grams Pro Complex Protein
1130 grilled/baked chicken breast 1 cup brown rice 1 cup brocolli
1230 preworkout no-xplode, cellmass, medium red apple
230 40 grams of Syntha 6 Protein
500 grilled/baked fish fillet, brown rice, green veg
800 chicken breast, brown rice, green veg
1030-1100 30gr ProComplex Protein
optimen vit, 2000 mg vitC, ostioBioflex before bed...... with water

also i drink about 2 gallons of water daily...... ive dropped alot of weight "fat" already and have made some impressive gains in the last 7 months or so..... went from a 42 waist to a 38 went from 17.5" bicep to a 18.5"

my goal for the end of 2011 year is to be at 250 lbs at around 12-14% bodyfat, we'll see........

[ROCKETW19]

thanks for all of your opinions on this thread..... i'm starting my cycle on wednesday and will shoot 1c (300mg) every 5 days...... i just think that i'm gonna go with that for now..... i mean really why rush it and try to take both of them right off the bat...... i think at 1c every 5 days that should give me a good 12-13 wk cycle....
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Smart choice bro. Keep us posted as you go along

[wannabe]

someone gave me a link to this ruiproducts and a product called Tamoxifin is this stuff legal to purchase off of the net??? I'm looking for a PCT? any help is welcomed!

[ROCKETW19]

someone gave me a link to this ruiproducts and a product called Tamoxifin is this stuff legal to purchase off of the net??? I'm looking for a PCT? any help is welcomed!

Ya as of right now it is still 100% legal to purchase it for research purposes,:)
That is also exactly what you need for your PCT

[wannabe]

thanks rocket.

[latin22]

I didn't see you mention Clomid I would suggest you get some for PCT. If my memory serves me correct you would start the clomid 2 weeks after your last shot and run it for 2 weeks.I forget the dosage to be honest I think its 300 mgs the first day and 100 mgs from day 2 -14.

[Bouncer]

I didn't see you mention Clomid I would suggest you get some for PCT. If my memory serves me correct you would start the clomid 2 weeks after your last shot and run it for 2 weeks.I forget the dosage to be honest I think its 300 mgs the first day and 100 mgs from day 2 -14.

na, nolvadex does the job better with less sides. not a fan of clomid.

[latin22]

really? Well you would know better than me but I have usually heard clomid used post cycle and nolva used during the cycle if you have signs of gyno.If nolva works better I might have to keep that in mind next time I cycle.

[Bouncer]

really? Well you would know better than me but I have usually heard clomid used post cycle and nolva used during the cycle if you have signs of gyno.If nolva works better I might have to keep that in mind next time I cycle.

nolva brings natural test levels back just as fast without all the depressing feelings that clomid gives.

[ROCKETW19]

really? Well you would know better than me but I have usually heard clomid used post cycle and nolva used during the cycle if you have signs of gyno.If nolva works better I might have to keep that in mind next time I cycle.

If you have to choose one I would pick nolva also. That being said I almost always use both.

[wannabe]

well shot today..... all went good so far..... although i did change my mind..... i went with both tren and test..... but because i really want to start on monday i just shot .6cc of each today total of 1.2cc (330mg) (180test and 150tren) ..... cause i'll be shooting again monday..... but anyhow..... i'm a pretty relaxed guy i have a good friend that i told if my tude starts showing thru just give me a reality check lol.... anyhow thanks for all your advice.....

also, why is it so damn dard to pull with 25ga stix? took forever! i've got some 23ga also.... and seeing how i did'nt even feel the 25 i think i'm gonna go to the 23 next

[New_Mass]

with your body fat percentages that high you'll probably hold alot of water easily so I would get the pct asap and maybe run it along with the cycle when needed to keep things (water extra estro) under control, just my opinion

[CrankinSteiN]

No fuckin way! tren is not a beginer drug, 20 weeks is to long, 2 compound for a first cycle is not good IMO. you need to know what these drugs do to you. If you are taking 2 you wont know what is doing what good or bad.

400-500 test for 12-16 weeks good diet and training and you will be set.
Dont forget your PCT.

Didn't have time to read all responses.... But add me as a plus one on what rocket said.. I agree fully. Test only is the way to go for a first cycle... You can always save the other stuff for a cycle in the future..

[latin22]

well shot today..... all went good so far..... although i did change my mind..... i went with both tren and test..... but because i really want to start on monday i just shot .6cc of each today total of 1.2cc (330mg) (180test and 150tren) ..... cause i'll be shooting again monday..... but anyhow..... i'm a pretty relaxed guy i have a good friend that i told if my tude starts showing thru just give me a reality check lol.... anyhow thanks for all your advice.....

also, why is it so damn dard to pull with 25ga stix? took forever! i've got some 23ga also.... and seeing how i did'nt even feel the 25 i think i'm gonna go to the 23 next

I would have just stuck with test like everyone else suggested but good luck.As for the needles I wouldn't go any smaller than 23 guage 1.5 for glutes and 1 for shoulders.The bigger the needle the easier the oil with dispense.You could try warming it a little it helps sometimes.Try rolling the vial in between yours hands for a few minutes to heat it up.