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[the art of war]

why were steroids originally made a controlled substance ? I am not old enough to remember that. And with that being asked, I still haven't figured this out and I want to know how this works - how much gear is personal use, how much is distribute? I've seen people w/100dbols get told street value is 2,000 (lol) and have to deal w/serious legal probs. Then I've seen shit just looked over almost - where the hell is the line w/our legal system and juice ?

[alwaysgrowing]

why were steroids originally made a controlled substance ? I am not old enough to remember that. And with that being asked, I still haven't figured this out and I want to know how this works - how much gear is personal use, how much is distribute? I've seen people w/100dbols get told street value is 2,000 (lol) and have to deal w/serious legal probs. Then I've seen shit just looked over almost - where the hell is the line w/our legal system and juice ?

the street value is always high. For rec drugs, like cocaine, they place kilos street value between 75-100,000. They take the most expensive price they can find.

As for the tipping point from personal use and distribution, that is for the lawyers to argue

[the art of war]

well it's pretty clear cut w/rec drugs what is personal / distribution - so they're isn't really anyway to know what's a 6 month cycle or whats distribution for gear ?

[alwaysgrowing]

well it's pretty clear cut w/rec drugs what is personal / distribution - so they're isn't really anyway to know what's a 6 month cycle or whats distribution for gear ?

With recs it depends how it is packaged. I know someone that was arrested with a quarter of coke in a single back. Only possession. Someone got caught with 4 backs = intent to distribute

[the art of war]

With recs it depends how it is packaged. I know someone that was arrested with a quarter of coke in a single back. Only possession. Someone got caught with 4 backs = intent to distribute

qp of anything will send u to jail i dunno how he got possession, hell of a lawyer. Regardless tho I'm trying to know if there is an amount of test per gram - tren per gram etc.. since gear is already packed, you could make an argument that any amount is personal use, since you could stay on till you die. Or that two vials are for two people. That's why I want to know how the law defines it.

[ROCKETW19]

As for the tipping point from personal use and distribution, that is for the lawyers to argue

best explanition right here.

I think if you get 10 or so vials you should be good.
If you get any kind of powder I would worrie a bit more, even if it only made 10 vials. I think it is more the perception the DA would have.

[the art of war]

shit's whack - if I make tren it's already distributing ? lame.

[ROCKETW19]

That being said i have a friend that got caught with 120 amps and 4 vials of deca some pills both dbol and PCT. He said it was his personal use and got drug dervsion class. Dumb ass even told the cops he bought the stuff off some black guy,lol. That is fucking classic.

[Mr I]

Why are Steroids A Media Mania?
Smoke:
A Closer Look at Steroids in Professional Sports
When the words "anabolic steroids" are mentioned, they conjure a variety of negative images including dying teenagers and “cheaters” like Barry Bonds. In stark contrast, the words “breast implants” illicit a much more positive response, even though they pose a variety of serious, documented health risks for their recipient.
Why is it that our society views a professional actress with breast implants so differently than a professional athlete on steroids? Given that both the athlete and the actress are ultimately working towards the same goal—to maximize the length and success of their entertainment careers—it appears that an ethical “double standard” exists.
Many incidents, including Ben Johnson’s use of steroids and the death of one the NFL’s toughest men (confessed steroid user Lyle Alzedo) began to mobilize public sentiment against steroid use in the late 80’s and early 90’s. But it was not until the highly-publicized suicide of Taylor Hooten, a Texas high school athlete, whose 2003 suicide was blamed on steroids, that the anti-steroid campaign went “national.”
In reviewing the facts of Hooten’s case, medical experts concluded that his death was most likely caused by the side effects of a strong, anti-depressant drug—not by steroids. The anti-steroid campaign led by his father, however, was still very successful in its attempts to create widespread parental panic and unfounded public fear.
Despite volumes of research suggesting that anabolic steroids are not only safe, but very beneficial in improving an adult male’s overall health and well-being, they remain illegal.
What exactly is a steroid? It’s a naturally-occurring molecule made from cholesterol in the human body (Dr. Cohen). It can be either anabolic or catabolic. An anabolic steroid, such as testosterone, builds muscle and speeds recovery. A catabolic steroid, like cortisol, helps reduce inflammation. There are many natural, steroid-like molecules found in the human body and in nature. Although it is called a vitamin, vitamin D3 is actually a secosteroid which means that it has anabolic steroid effects. This naturally-occurring molecule is produced in the skin when stimulated by sun's rays; it contributes to muscular strength and recovery while improving physical reaction time, balance and coordination (Dr. Cohen). Branch chain amino acids (BCAA’s) are building blocks of proteins that have anabolic, steroid-like effects. While BCAA’s are not created by the body, they are frequently used by athletes and found in foods, especially dark meats, and in a variety of nutritional supplements. Like anabolic steroids, BCAA’s have strong positive effects on muscle growth and recovery.
In addition to naturally-occurring steroids, synthetic forms have been fabricated. A synthetic steroid is a substance with molecules that have been altered to create a stronger and longer-lasting anabolic effect. Studies show that synthetic steroids are completely non-toxic. Contrary to popular opinion, it appears that they do not pose any type of health threat. In fact, of the many thousands of people who have used natural or synthetic steroids, not a single study can conclusively prove that they are harmful (Sports News).
John Ramano, the senior editor of Muscular Development Magazine and a 25-year user of anabolic steroids was once quoted as saying, "Where are the bodies? Show me the bodies!" Despite his regular, long-term use of steroids, Ramano has not suffered a single health problem. In addition of the hundreds of other long-term steroid users he personally knows, none have experienced any harmful side effects (Sports News). 70-year old Bob Clap has been using anabolic steroids for more than 40 years and he has never experienced any negative side effects. And out of the 2,500 people he has known to use steroids, none of them have suffered any serious health problems, either.
In addition to this strong, anecdotal evidence, there is a large body of published, medical research suggesting that anabolic steroids can be very beneficial for adult men, particularly those who have low testosterone levels due to aging and lifestyle issues (large amounts of physical stress and frequent traveling, for example). This is true only if steroids are used—not abused—and are taken under medical supervision. Anabolic steroids are generally not safe for women or adolescents. But should they be illegal?
The initial, public controversy surrounding steroids use began at the 1988 Olympics, when Ben Johnson beat Carl Lewis and broke the World Record in the 100 meter dash. Johnson not only lost his gold medal, but had his 9.79 second 100m record invalidated because he was supposedly using synthetic steroids to boost his performance. At this time, steroid use was not illegal. It was, however, still considered cheating. In 1992, one of professional football’s toughest men, Lyle Alzedo, reportedly died of brain cancer caused by steroid use. Alzedo’s personal doctor, however, spoke on the record to Sports News saying, “There is no known association between Alzedo’s death and his use of steroids.” During a personal interview with sports reporter, Armand Katan, Dr. Gary Wadler—who is known for his outspoken opposition to anabolic steroid use—admitted that there was, “no way of knowing if steroids could cause illness or death,” even when an autopsy is performed. In short, it appears that there is no solid evidence linking the use of anabolic steroids to Alzedo’s cancer or any other disease. During the late 80’s, the United States Anti Doping Agency became actively involved in demonizing steroids. Because the agency was finding many Olympic athletes testing positive for steroid use, they wanted them banned. And they pushed Congress to do something about it. In 1990, the Anabolic Steroid Control Act was passed. This meant that anyone using steroids for non-medical purposes could be faced with arrest and prosecution. This law was passed despite the fact that the American Medical Association, The Department of Health and Human Services, and The Drug Enforcement Agency all opposed it (Real Sports News). Now that steroids are illegal, why haven’t all other performance-enhancing measures been banned? Tiger Woods has surgically-enhanced his vision to 20/15, receives regular cortisone shots to reduce and prevent joint inflammation and takes anti-anxiety drugs to ensure his optimal performance. Long distance runners and competitive cyclists can increase their VO2 uptake by sleeping in high-altitude tents, which clearly give them a competitive advantage. And baseball pitchers can surgically alter the tendons in their arm to make it more durable. I believe that a case can (and probably should) be made to support the legal use of steroids in professional sports. Professional athletes—from football and basketball heroes to ice hockey and baseball stars—are often forced to retire in their early to mid 30’s. This is an incredibly young age for an entertainer. Would an aging actor or actress be forever branded a “cheater” for having an appearance enhancing nose job or face lift? When compared to the world of professional sports, are these surgical procedures creating any less of an “unfair advantage” in the competitive quest to “win” a movie role or secure a lucrative T.V. contract? Perhaps the most significant case for legalizing steroids can be made not by addressing misconceptions and de-bunking myths, but by looking at facts. In examining the statistics, it appears that the controlled use of anabolic steroids is, without a doubt, safe. Last year, there were 750,000 documented Americans deaths caused by over-the-counter prescription medications (NaturalNews.com). To date, there have been no confirmed deaths linked to the use of anabolic steroids. Nor is there is any concrete, medical evidence proving that the appropriate use of steroids is physiologically or psychologically damaging. There are, however, hundreds (if not thousands) of published medical studies which conclude that anabolic steroids can be a very powerful, health enhancing tool.
From a purely logical standpoint, declaring the use of steroids illegal because they create an unfair advantage is questionable at best. Athletes who have the financial means are capable of perusing countless other performance-enhancing measures that are equally “unfair.” Actors and Actresses who, like professional athletes, are paid to entertain drastically alter their bodies in an effort to maximize their physical appearance and income. Why, then, should the aging professional athlete be denied an opportunity to extend his career with the use of steroids? While taking anabolic steroids is a choice I may never make, I believe that politics and fear have simply overcome common sense. The time has come to examine the issue of anabolic steroid use more closely—and to realize that, despite the all smoke, there really is no fire.


Works Cited
Bigger,Faster, Stronger. Dir. Chris Bell. Perf. Chris Bell. 2008.
Cohen, Richard. "Anibolic Steroids." Personal interview. 2 Dec. 2009.
Collins, Rick. "The Anabolic Steroid Control Act: The Wrong Prescription by Rick Collins, Esq."MESO-Rx - Anabolic Steroids, Steroid Profiles, Steroid Pictures, Steroid Books, Bodybuilding. 2001. Web. <http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/collins/wrong-prescription.htm>.
Prod. Tim Walker. Perf. Armad Katan and John Ramano. The Roid Rage. Web. <http://www.steroidlaw.com/images/steroids_0002.wmv>.
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[Mr I]

In the 1970's and 1980's, federal regulation of anabolic steroids came under the jurisdiction of the Food and Drug Administration under the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act. 21 U.S.C.A. Sections 351, 352, 353, 355 (1981 & Supp. 1990).

Anabolic steroids were required to be prescribed and dispensed by licensed physicians but were not scheduled as controlled substances. It is often overlooked, however, that black market drug trafficking of anabolic steroids already was illegal before anabolics became classified as controlled substances. Under 1988 legislation amending the Food and Drug Act, criminal penalties were specifically set forth for traffickers in anabolic steroids for non-medical reasons. This Anti-Drug Abuse Act would have enabled effective enforcement against those illegally dispensing steroids and black market dealers, including application of federal forfeiture laws, without classifying steroids as controlled substances. Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1988, Pub. L. No. 100-690, Sec 2401, 102 Stat. 4181 (1988), repealed in November, 1990, effective Feb., 1991, by the Anabolic Steroids Control Act.

The Hearings

In the mid-1980's, media reports of the increasing use of anabolic steroids in sports, including a "silent epidemic" of high school steroid use, came to the attention of the U.S. government. A joint Task Force to prosecute dealers was created with the U.S. Department of Justice, the Food and Drug Administration, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. By the spring of 1990, there had been 125 legal actions on various steroid-related charges in 27 different federal districts. J.E. Wright and V.S. Cowart, Anabolic Steroids: Altered States (Carmel, IN; Benchmark Press, 1990), at 118. Over 175 steroid trafficking convictions had been obtained prior to classification of steroids as controlled substances. Rorie Sherman, "The Big Push," Nat'l L.J., Feb. 10, 1992, at 40, 42.

But even as prosecutions increased, Congress was growing particularly concerned with steroid use among high school students and among top amateur athletes. Certain members representing only a small minority of the medical community began suggesting controlled substance status for anabolic steroids. See, W.N. Taylor, M.D., "Synthetic Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids: A Plea for Controlled Substance Status," The Physician and Sportsmedicine (Vol. 15, Number 5, May 1987). Between 1988 and 1990, Congressional hearings were held to determine whether the Controlled Substances Act should be amended to include anabolic steroids along with more serious drugs like cocaine and heroin. The majority of witnesses who testified, including medical professionals and representatives of regulatory agencies (including the FDA, the DEA and the National Institute on Drug Abuse) recommended against the proposed amendment to the law. Even the American Medical Association repeatedly and vehemently opposed it, maintaining that steroid abuse does not lead to the physical or psychological dependence required for scheduling under the Controlled Substances Act. (The AMA recommended education, not criminalization, to combat steroid abuse.) Nevertheless, Congress scheduled steroids as Schedule III controlled substances under Title 21 of the United States Code, which regulates Food and Drugs. The legislation was called the "Anabolic Steroids Control Act of 1990," Pub. L. No. 101-647, Sec. 1902, 104 Stat. 4851 (1990) (amending 21 U.S.C. 812(c) (1981) to include anabolic steroids). Why did Congress ignore these experts and decide to schedule steroids as Schedule III controlled substances?

The focus of the hearings suggests that any "psychologically addictive" properties of anabolic steroids were secondary considerations to Congress. The majority of witnesses who testified at the hearings leading to the legislation were representatives from either amateur or professional athletics. The testimony, and apparently Congress' main concern, focused on legislative action in an effort to solve an athletic "cheating" problem. Congress had a solution in mind - amending the Controlled Substances Act - and planned to proceed with or without the blessing of the DEA or the medical community. As a result, steroids stand out as an anomaly among the codeine derivatives, central nervous system depressants, and stimulants that form the rest of the Schedule III substances.


J. Burge, Legalize and Regulate: A Prescription for Reforming Anabolic Steroid Legislation, 15 Loy. L.A. Ent. L.J., 33, at 45 (1994).

U.S. Federal Law

The Anabolic Steroids Control Act of 1990 became law on November 29, 1990, when President Bush signed the Omnibus Crime Control Bill. The law applies in every Federal court across the country. It places steroids in the same legal class - Schedule III -- as amphetamines, methamphetamines, opium and morphine. Simple possession of any Schedule III substance is a federal offense punishable by up to one year in prison and/or a minimum fine of $1,000. Simple possession by a person with a previous conviction for certain offenses, including any drug or narcotic crimes, must get imprisonment of at least 15 days and up to two years, and a minimum fine of $2,500. Individuals with two or more such previous convictions face imprisonment of not less than 90 days but not more than three years, and a minimum fine of $5,000, just for simply possessing. Selling steroids, or possessing them with intent to sell, is a federal felony. An individual who sells steroids, or possesses with intent to sell, is punishable by up to five years in prison (with at least two additional years of supervised release) and/or a $250,000 fine. An individual who commits such a violation after a prior conviction for a drug offense faces up to ten years imprisonment (with at least four additional years of special parole) and/or increased fines. The relevant sections of Title 21 of the U.S. Code are as follows: 21 U.S.C. 801 (authorizes restrictions on controlled substances); 21 U.S.C. 802(41)(A) (defines "anabolic steroids" as any drug or hormonal substance, chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone that promotes muscle growth, and includes boldenone, chlorotestosterone, clostebol, dehydrochlormethyltestosterone, dihydrotestosterone, drostanolone, ethylestrenol, fluoxymesterone, formobulone, mesterolone, methandranone, methandriol, methandrostenolone, methenolone, methyltestosterone, mibolerone, nandrolone, norethandrolone, oxandrolone, oxymesterone, oxymetholone, stanolone, stanozolol, testolactone, testosterone, trenbolone, and any muscle growth promoting salt, ester or isomer of a drug or substance described or listed above); 21 U.S.C. 811 (criteria for classification of controlled substances); 21 U.S.C. 812(c) (lists anabolic steroids as a Schedule III controlled substances); 21 U.S.C. 841(b)(1)(D) (penalties for sale and possession with intent to sell anabolic steroids); and 21 U.S.C. 844 (penalties for simple possession of anabolic steroids).

Between February 1991 and February 1995, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) initiated 355 anabolic steroid investigations resulting in over 400 arrests and over 200 convictions. C.E. Yesalis and V.S. Cowart, The Steroids Game (Champaign, IL; Human Kinetics, 1998), at 107. While the majority of defendants receiving significant federal prison time were traffickers (one Miami gym owner got eight years in prison), anyone arrested for even simple possession faces the prospect of a criminal prosecution, with its potential lifelong stigma, adverse effects on future employment, etc.

The Anabolic Steroids Control Act can be enforced and violations prosecuted in every state. The primary federal law enforcement agencies dealing with anabolics include the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), U.S. Postal Inspectors and U.S. Customs. Airport and border stops are obviously a common way that persons possessing anabolics come to the attention of law enforcement. But federal authorities can investigate anabolic steroid distribution in a variety of ways. For example, monitoring news groups and chat rooms on the Internet has become a common approach of federal agents. Trying to sell or buy steroids over the Internet can be an excellent way of getting oneself arrested. It is always best to assume that anyone looking for steroids on the Internet is an undercover police agent.

Federal law enforcement authorities also monitor the U.S. mails. Suspicious packages coming from overseas can be examined. Among domestic parcels, those from California and the Southwest to sites on the East Coast reportedly have a higher probability of attracting attention. Once suspicion is aroused, inspectors will investigate records of prior packages involving the points of origin or destination. If illegal drugs are found in the mail, the U.S. Postal inspectors will often arrange a "controlled delivery" of the package to the designated recipient. If the package is accepted, agents will immediately enter with a search warrant to look for additional drugs. Obviously, mailing anabolics is risky business.

Laws of the States

During 1989 and 1990, many states reclassified anabolic steroids to become controlled substances under state law. A 1991 survey of anabolic steroid state legislation found that approximately twenty-two states (Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, and Texas) had tightened control over steroids in the preceding two years. Norma Reddig, Anabolic Steroids: The Price of Pumping Up!, 37 Wayne L. Rev., 1647 , at 1661, 1663 (1991). State laws differ as to the classification level for anabolic steroids, providing for a wide range of penalties. The states also differ in their approach to controlling anabolics. Some, such as Arizona, California, New Mexico, Texas and Michigan, require the posting of notices designed for public education as to the dangers of illegal use. Id. at 1662. Further, Delaware, Louisiana, Michigan, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Texas have promulgated rules as to the prescription of anabolic steroids, warning practitioners against dispensation for non-medical use. Id. At 1663.

In New York State, the New York Public Health Law Section 3306 classifies the following as Schedule II controlled substances:


(h) Anabolic steroids. Unless specifically excepted or unless listed in another schedule, 'anabolic steroid' shall mean any drug or hormonal substance, chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone (other than estrogens, progestins and corticosteroids) that promotes muscle growth, any drug or hormonal substance that stimulates the endogenous production of steroids in the human body which acts in the same manner, or any material, compound, mixture, or preparation which contains any amount of the following substances: (1) Boldenone. (2) Clostebol. (3) Dehydrochlormethyltestosterone. (4) Drostanolone. (5) Ethylestrenol. (6) Fluoxymesterone. (7) Formebulone (formebolone). (8) Mesterolene. (9) Methandriol. (10) Methandrostenolone. (11) Methenolone. (12) Methyltestosterone. (13) Mibolerone. (14)Nandrolone. (15) Norethandrolone. (16) Oxandrolone. (17) Oxymesterone. (18) Oxymetholone. (19) Stanolone. (20) Stanozolol. (21) Testosterone. (22) Trenbolone. (23) Any salt, ester or isomer of a drug or substance described or listed in this subdivision, if such salt, ester or isomer promotes muscle growth.

(i) Subdivision (h) of this section shall not include any substance containing anabolic steroids expressly intended for administration through implants to cattle or other nonhuman species and that are approved by the federal food and drug administration solely for such use. Any individual who knowingly and willfully administers to himself or another person, prescribes, dispenses or distributes such substances for other than implantation to cattle or nonhuman species shall be subject to the same penalties as a practitioner who violates the provisions of this section or any other penalties prescribed by law.

(j) Chorionic gonadotrophin. Unless specifically excepted or unless listed in another schedule any material, compound, mixture, or preparation which contains any amount of chorionic gonadotrophin."


Possession of a controlled substance can be prosecuted as a misdemeanor criminal offense under Section 220.03 of the New York State Penal Law. A class "A" misdemeanor, Criminal Possession of a Controlled Substance in the Seventh Degree is punishable by up to one year in jail, although few first-time offenders are sentenced to jail time.

Under Section 220.31 of the New York State Penal Law, sale of anabolic steroids is a class "D" felony in New York, regardless of the quantity sold. In New York, "sell" is defined to include simply giving away as well as the act of offering or agreeing to sell. Sale of steroids is punishable by up to seven years in prison. Even gainfully employed, first-time offenders in many parts of New York State can serve some jail time, be placed on five years of supervision by the local probation department, and suffer the lifelong stigma of a felony drug sale conviction.

COPYRIGHT (c) 1999 by Rick Collins. Steroid Law - Welcome to SteroidLaw.com All rights reserved. No commercial reproduction of any portion of this material is permitted without the express written permission of the author.

[the art of war]

^^ thank you!

[alwaysgrowing]

Having powder insinuates manufacturing, and potential distribution without a doubt.

[bigscott]

why were steroids originally made a controlled substance ? I am not old enough to remember that. And with that being asked, I still haven't figured this out and I want to know how this works - how much gear is personal use, how much is distribute? I've seen people w/100dbols get told street value is 2,000 (lol) and have to deal w/serious legal probs. Then I've seen shit just looked over almost - where the hell is the line w/our legal system and juice ?

state and federal mandates will differ on amounts as per personal use . i had the standards federal wise but not sure where i put them .

you would be surprised on how little federally they consider as being personal use . if you have more then a 10 ml bottle by federal guidelines its above personal use !! even if the judge disagrees with it he is bound by the fed guidelines therefore will and must follow them to the letter -

the amount your caught with will be calculated by a number system federally that will put you in one of several catagories going from 0 to 6 months time now each catagory above the first time adds up . if you have prior issues those will be taken into account and could move you from a catagory 1 to say catagory 2 or 3 etc etc each catagory has a set of sentences the judge must go by in the end you could be looking at alot of time

i was looking at 2 felonies and 27 months , importation , manufacturing and distribution charges i ended up with 1 count of possession - 2 years probation -- its over in june of this year .. i had asked for early release and was denied but we are almost coming to the end anyway

a friend who was caught in the same sweep unfortunatly got caught locally aswell with sales .. those 2 issues combined he is doing 18 months at a fed facility

best advice is keep it small and infrequent and they will leave you alone .. i was hit because over time things built up which made it look worse then it really was

[the art of war]

thanks for the input scott, can't get over that 10ml bottle being above personal use!

[ROCKETW19]

thanks for the input scott, can't get over that 10ml bottle being above personal use!

I think he talking FEDs they are so insane with their laws it isnt even funny.
If you order powder most likly if someone comes it will be feds due to the manufacturing/ distribution. If you order a few vials most likly it will be state knocking at your door. even if the powder dont make as much as the vials
I am no lawyer these are just my opinions.