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  • #16
    Originally posted by yayo4455 View Post
    Masteron is a good option instead of the winni in the test/tren/winni stack. Masteron also has anti-estrongenic properties. So test400mg/tren300mg/masteron400mg a week sound like a better option in my opinion. Not to get off topic but if gyno does flare up it's good to have letro on hand to kill it completly followed by nolva.
    Letro will not help the progestrone gyno and alot of people get worse sides if using nolva while on tren. so no dont do any of that

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    • #17
      Originally posted by BamBam179 View Post
      i thought tren causes progesterone gyno, so wouldnt letro do very litte for it?
      :thumup:

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      • #18
        Every ones different so its hard to say if you get gyno from the test or progestin from the tren. To stop the progestin from the tren you could try cabergoline. The cabergoline should work the same way the letro does for the gyno. Depends on your symptoms at the moment. Letro does also lower Progesterone as well as Estrogen.. not widely known....
        but since estrogen is supposed to amplify the effect of Tren I would go with Cab or Bromo for unhindered results.
        Last edited by yayo4455; 02-27-10, 08:14 PM.

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        • #19
          Inhibition of progestational activity for fertility regulation.

          Chatterton RT.

          PIP: This review examines a number of areas of postconceptive fertility regulation, focusing on promising new antiprogestational agents. Pregnancy is dependent upon the availability of progesterone for the uterus and its withdrawal results in the breakdown of the secretory endometrium. Its availability can be interferred with at several levels and the new methods which allow for progesterone inhibition must be tested for possible defeminizing properties or for serious side effects. In the evaluation of contragestational agents, several areas must be taken into consideration--assessment of biological activities, dose requirements and mode of action, duration of effects, route of administration, and drug tolerance and side effects. The failure to maintain progesterone in the blood at levels required for pregnancy maintenance may be due to a decrease in progesterone secretion by the ovary or to an increased rate of metabolism and excretion of circulating progesterone. The various substances discussed do either 1 or the other; however even when a compound is known to result in a decrease in the rate of progesterone secretion, the process by which it does this may not be known. Prostaglandins seem to affect myometrial contraction, luteinizing hormone releasing hormones can inhibit steroid production or interfere with LH binding to its receptor, and immunization against hCG is a successful immunological approach to conception. Lithospermic acid is another substance which interferes with gonadotropin support of the ovary and has good potential. Other compounds that interfere with progesterone secretion act to inhibit steroidogenesis in the ovary and placenta; such substances include aminoglutethimide, oxymetholone, trilostane, azastene, and danazol. Another progesterone-suppression method would remove a sufficient amount of progesterone from the body to cause endometrium involution and promote contractility of the myometrium. Progesterone antagonists include ORF 9361, R3434, Anordrin, ORF 3858, and other estrogens, triazole compounds, ORF 5513, trichosanthin, and zoapatanol.


          In addition the following study gives ample evidence that Aromatase Inhibitors (Letrozole, Arimidex, etc...) will also combat progesterone:

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          • #20
            How about using exemestane, that would be my best AI to use.

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            • #21
              i love the tren/prop combo, but like everyone said diet is crucial and i am one prone to water weight so diet is what really controls this as well im going to run an AI this time. For me i feel this combo is something that every feels differently, i personally run very low doses of prop and tren compared to many but it gives me more lean gains and less water retention, i run a 16 week cycle and tren the last 7 weeks and run the test about 2 weeks addition after the tren stops. Also i run hcg during cycle when needed, also take some win the last 5 weeks

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              • #22
                Originally posted by BamBam179 View Post
                anyone have opinion on a good stack for cutting? I was thinkin tren/test/winny..... If this good wat dosage is good?
                winny is crap, ridiculous joint pain not worth it

                Originally posted by BamBam179 View Post
                im alomost done with my test/deca cycles and have RUI tamox for pct... 40mg/day for 3 weeks it my plan.... it burns my throat though lol
                aim the dropper in you cheeck instead of your throat then swallow shouldnt burn that much.

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                • #23
                  i would just take the tamox with some water still in my mouth. then chug some more water down. hardly notice it.

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