Clen questions

[1Rhino1]

Well I dropped the best I'd heard of, it was fourteen pounds in two weeks, but my bench went down to 290 for 3. I was a bit irritated about that, but there was a pretty significant fat loss, I am on my second two weeker and I am eating more protein and carbs, I have actually gotten stronger on quite a few lifts, deadlift being one, and have still lost 5 pounds. Not disappointed, but I suppose that I blew it up to be more drastic in my head. I don't wanna lose this muscle though. I love my deliscious mass. I'm just gonna winny and tren my way to 7 percent over the next three years, lol. Fuck it.

[CrankinSteiN]

been a while since I used clen but I believe men are still using it around 80 - 120mcg per day and yes cycling it 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off is the most often used protocol

[ken69]

What is the normal dose of clen and do you take it everyday?

It needs to be cycled at least two weeks on two weeks off protocol, starting on a low dose going up, then tapering down to your first dose...

[Canadian]

What is the normal dose of clen and do you take it everyday?

[CrankinSteiN]

Clen in large doses added lean mass to cattle also. IMO clen is much more effective than eca.

I would have to agree that as far as actual fat burning effects I would say clen is better then ECA

[liftsiron]

I remember reading it was only in mice or rats that the anti catabolic affect was apparent. My question - as a fat burn; clen or an ECA - whiich do you think is the more affective ?

Clen in large doses added lean mass to cattle also. IMO clen is much more effective than eca.

[the art of war]

I know ketotifen works but not sure about benadryl and like lifts mentioned there is no anti-catabolic effect or muscle building effect with clen used in humans... It is good as a fat burner only

I remember reading it was only in mice or rats that the anti catabolic affect was apparent. My question - as a fat burn; clen or an ECA - whiich do you think is the more affective ?

[CrankinSteiN]

I know ketotifen works but not sure about benadryl and like lifts mentioned there is no anti-catabolic effect or muscle building effect with clen used in humans... It is good as a fat burner only

[1Rhino1]

I've read studies that say the sixth week is the most benneficial week. Lol, I just can't get my hands on any ketotifen. Shitty deal, shitty...... ITS JUST SHIT! DAMNIT! FUCK!

[Walnutz]

I've always read 2 weeks on/2 weeks off for clen. Unless you take it with ketotifen. But Lifts says 3 weeks on. It's still effective going into week 3?

[1Rhino1]

Sweet, thanks for the advice. I'm cycling off today and going back on in two. I've lost 14 pounds so far, that's three weeks in. Strenth actuallyhas improved after a small decrease. Worried me for a second, upped protein and am now cycling carbs. Ill let you know the result.

[lifterjaydawg]

Keto does work the best, its a second generation antihistamine, better than using benadryl imo.

[liftsiron]

Benadryl does not work. Ketotifen is the only proven method of up-regulating the receptors.

posted by candidizzel:



"Benadryl is sold as an anti-histimine in the United States, and/or a sleep aid elsewhere in the world. However, Beta receptors are embedded in the cell's outer phospholipid membrane. The stability of the membrane has a lot to do with the proper function of the receptors. Methylation of the phospholipids is stimulated by the binding of beta agonists to their receptors. Methylated phospholipids are foreign to the body, and when the body recognizes them as foreign, it breaks them down with phospholipase A2. This changes the structure of the outer membrane which results in desensitizaton of the beta receptors. On the other hand, agents that inhibit phospholipase A2 slow desensitization.

Cationic ampiphylic drugs are known for their ability to inhibit phospholipase A2. Benadryl (diphenhydramine) is a cationic ampiphylic drug.

Ergo, Benadryl slows desensitization of Beta receptors (i.e. Upgrades them) by inhibiting phospholipase A2, which is the enzyme that breaks down methylated phospholipids, and this action in turn keeps the phospholipid membrane stable, and thus keeps the receptors functioning properly.

Reference:

Prog Clin Biol Res. 1981;63:383-8.
Phospholipid methylation: a possible mechanism of signal transduction across biomembranes.
Hirata F, Tallman JF, Henneberry RC, Mallorga P, Strittmatter WJ, Axelrod J"

Smiley

[tballz]

Benadryl does not work. Ketotifen is the only proven method of up-regulating the receptors.

[liftsiron]

Right on partner, so if I'm looking for the dramatic effect I had at first, then would you suggest coming off and going back on for another three week term?

You can cycle 3 weeks on 2 weeks off.