newbies listen up...

[wannabe]

first off i just wanna say... thanks to all the guys on here that gave me advice and i should have listened... second of all i wish all of yall could have kicked my ass for not listening...

i asked for advice and did'nt listen when i was given it...
4 months later and after crashing and loosing 25 lbs in 2 wks... and after contimplating suicide and almost causing myself to get a divorce... i wish i would have listened...

coming off can be a BITCH if you dont know what you are doing... this was my first cycle... i purchased tren e and test e...

i ran test e for 300mg wk for like 4 wks...
then 500 mg test e for like 4-6 wks...
then 500mg test e plus 300 tren e for like 6 wks...
and ran out... but i thought man it's all good... my natural test will come back and no prob right... WRONG! nothing or no one can prepare you for the emotional stuff you will go through if you crash...

HAVE A PCT IN LINE BEFORE YOU START A CYCLE... AND TAPER OFF THE CYCLE FOR THE LAST 3 OR 4 WKS... AND GUYS IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST CYCLE JUST RUN SOMETHING SIMPLE AND ONE DRUG DONT MIX ON YOUR FIRST CYCLE....

START WITH A FORM OF TEST AT 250 MG A WEEK AND I PROMISE YOU WILL BE HAPPY THERE FOR NOW... I SAW RESULTS AND WANTED MORE QUICK... I HAD NO PROBLEMS WHILE ON CYCLE....

TALK WITH THE MODERATORS ON HERE AND LISTEN TO THEM... THE ONES I DEALT WITH WERE HELPFUL

[dna9488]

Good advice. The mods here are to help people

[ROCKETW19]

first off i just wanna say... thanks to all the guys on here that gave me advice and i should have listened... second of all i wish all of yall could have kicked my ass for not listening...

i asked for advice and did'nt listen when i was given it...
4 months later and after crashing and loosing 25 lbs in 2 wks... and after contimplating suicide and almost causing myself to get a divorce... i wish i would have listened...

coming off can be a BITCH if you dont know what you are doing... this was my first cycle... i purchased tren e and test e...

i ran test e for 300mg wk for like 4 wks...
then 500 mg test e for like 4-6 wks...
then 500mg test e plus 300 tren e for like 6 wks...
and ran out... but i thought man it's all good... my natural test will come back and no prob right... WRONG! nothing or no one can prepare you for the emotional stuff you will go through if you crash...

HAVE A PCT IN LINE BEFORE YOU START A CYCLE... AND TAPER OFF THE CYCLE FOR THE LAST 3 OR 4 WKS... AND GUYS IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST CYCLE JUST RUN SOMETHING SIMPLE AND ONE DRUG DONT MIX ON YOUR FIRST CYCLE....

START WITH A FORM OF TEST AT 250 MG A WEEK AND I PROMISE YOU WILL BE HAPPY THERE FOR NOW... I SAW RESULTS AND WANTED MORE QUICK... I HAD NO PROBLEMS WHILE ON CYCLE....

TALK WITH THE MODERATORS ON HERE AND LISTEN TO THEM... THE ONES I DEALT WITH WERE HELPFUL

Wow bro glad your ok now at least.

[Mr I]

Well done for realising the profound effect hormones can have on your mood both god and bad, albeit the hard way.

Now, what will your protocol be next time, I know what it should be but I want to know you know, so come on whats up?

PS I don't matter how many times I say about how harsh tren is, people wanna try and get a shock, always the same story, mad hard ons to start with, great gains, hardness and shape, then come the bad deep moods that test or dbol never caused, then when you come off cold BANG! no natty test = no hard ons, no energy, depression etc. Personally I won't use tren although I probably would if I competed, and for me thats what it is a competition drug. Even Bouncer fucked up on it with something pissy like 200mg per week!

[tonage]

Hey bro,trust me it was the tren that made u feel like that,its a very dangerous AS especially if your a newbie it really messes with your head.If for example you were doing test and deca or EQ,it would of been different,i just got off it and will never ever do it again,im convinced it messes our body up inside like kidneys,blood pressure absolutely skyrockets to dangerous levels,i use to have bad thoughts on it that wasnt normal like just wanting someone to look at me wrong or make a smart ass remark when in a bar just so i can hurt someone.Thats not normal,cause im not like that at all,but tren will make me i guess u could say nuts,but im glad your ok.

[wannabe]

yeah guys i'm cool now.. i'm all balanced back out... but i abused the stuff man, and people handle differnt AS differently... i have a friend whos on his first cycle and been running tren e 300mg wk... for like 16 wks and has had no problems... he's talking bout running 600mg wk a week next cycle i think he will have probs... from my experience that 400-500mg wk line is very important... i don't think you should cross it as a newbie... for atleast your first couple years... just my opinion...

as far as my next cycle... i've already got it all lined up.... just gonna run 300mg test e for a while... prob like 12-16 wks... gonna listen to my body and go from there... i will not go up from there tho... maybe in a few years i will but this shit aint no joke people... you dont want what i just went thru... i will taper off for like 5 or 6 wks... no rush... and use some natural test boosters... i've got tamox on hand if needed...

i do think tren is a very potent AS but man it will transform your body, i only ran it for like 6wks but man in those 6-7 wks the gains were impressive... but be careful it can bite you....

[ROCKETW19]

yeah guys i'm cool now.. i'm all balanced back out... but i abused the stuff man, and people handle differnt AS differently... i have a friend whos on his first cycle and been running tren e 300mg wk... for like 16 wks and has had no problems... he's talking bout running 600mg wk a week next cycle i think he will have probs... from my experience that 400-500mg wk line is very important... i don't think you should cross it as a newbie... for atleast your first couple years... just my opinion...

as far as my next cycle... i've already got it all lined up.... just gonna run 300mg test e for a while... prob like 12-16 wks... gonna listen to my body and go from there... i will not go up from there tho... maybe in a few years i will but this shit aint no joke people... you dont want what i just went thru... i will taper off for like 5 or 6 wks... no rush... and use some natural test boosters... i've got tamox on hand if needed...

i do think tren is a very potent AS but man it will transform your body, i only ran it for like 6wks but man in those 6-7 wks the gains were impressive... but be careful it can bite you....

you seen to be on the right track but test dont need to tapper off it wont help a bit to taper. if you run test 16 weeks I would suggest getting some HCG to run while on and then a proper PCT with nolva and clomid or just nolva if you are sensitive to clomid.
Not sure if you remember but i was going back and forth with you when you planned your first cycle not trying to say see i told ya so but now you see i do know what I am talking about. I will help you best I can and if you follow my advice it will give you your best chances. Nothing is fool proof untill we try and see but the best chance for you is what I posted

[Bouncer]

its the tren that fucked you up the most, not the test levels.

tren has a severe emotional/psychological in most people.

i will never use it again.

[wannabe]

BOUNCER i'm with you TREN is off my to do list FOREVER... guys who've been where we have been know what we're talking about... i think it's a great AS if you can handle it... but if you cant hold the fuck on cause you are on a roller coaster ride from HELL... honestly i'm gunshy about trying anything other than test... and if i do it will be that one drug and i will start slow...

ROCKET... yes i remember what you told me... and im my earlier post i put MODERATORS that helped me... i was pretty much talking about you... thanks for all the advice you were dead on i was a dumb ass... but had to get in trouble to realize what trouble was... IVE LEARNED MY LESSON.... any guys reading this LISTEN to these guys if you are on here trying to learn about this shit... IT'S NO JOKE....


honestly man no one around here uses any PCT or atleast thats what they are telling me... i've asked about clomid nolva all that shit no one can get it.. if i cant get HCG or a proper PCT what else could you recomend for me... any test boosters/anti-estro "over the counter stuff"... tfsupplements.com has lost of stuff listed under the PCT heading... any of that stuff worth a shit?

[ROCKETW19]

BOUNCER i'm with you TREN is off my to do list FOREVER... guys who've been where we have been know what we're talking about... i think it's a great AS if you can handle it... but if you cant hold the fuck on cause you are on a roller coaster ride from HELL... honestly i'm gunshy about trying anything other than test... and if i do it will be that one drug and i will start slow...

ROCKET... yes i remember what you told me... and im my earlier post i put MODERATORS that helped me... i was pretty much talking about you... thanks for all the advice you were dead on i was a dumb ass... but had to get in trouble to realize what trouble was... IVE LEARNED MY LESSON.... any guys reading this LISTEN to these guys if you are on here trying to learn about this shit... IT'S NO JOKE....


honestly man no one around here uses any PCT or atleast thats what they are telling me... i've asked about clomid nolva all that shit no one can get it.. if i cant get HCG or a proper PCT what else could you recomend for me... any test boosters/anti-estro "over the counter stuff"... tfsupplements.com has lost of stuff listed under the PCT heading... any of that stuff worth a shit?

No bro if you cant get PCT then do not do a cycle but your in luck "most PCT" stuff is for sale for research. Click on the very top of this page RUI-products you can get nolva and clomid. No hcg though. If you can not get hcg just run a 12 week cycle and see how it goes.

[the art of war]

good ol tren - good read - tren stares at me everyday since I got it but I've refused to go on it just cuz of how others respond. If I ran tren i would keep test in me for at least another couple of months after - can't imagine the crash of going from tren to nothing.

[wannabe]

the positive effects of tren are great... but i just dont trust myself on it... would love to try it by itself for like 8-12wks but honestly it's just not worth the risk... i dont want to bash the stuff just give a GOOD STERN warning before someone uses it... just like i was given and didnt listen... haha.

[the art of war]

believe me I've been up and down the road with tren bro, I've seen it do amazing things for physiques - I've seen some pretty nasty sides - i got talked out of running it this cycle, later I'll try it but no need now.

[wannabe]

i think i'm just gonna be a newbie and act like a newbie and run a lil test e 300mg a wk for a lil bit ... lol 2010 started off with a bang for me i'm gonna lay low maybe 2011 i'll try a lil more... i've got to source out some PCT locally... i can get everything but PCT stuff... weird huh... i'm gonna try the tamox from rui and see how it works this time...

[the art of war]

I'm using RUIs arimidex right now bro, so far the bloat is down - just running test now, was on var. Keeping cycles simple and having the right PCT is by far the way to go - when I started throwing in shit to my cycle I had problems and I couldn't figure if it was this compound or that - I'd rather this add one compound a cycle and if you can't get local legit PCT then yea - i've always vouched for RUIs products.