EQ............

[estone41]

May 20th, will mark 4 weeks that I've been running cyp @ 600mg/wk. At some point, before that date, I will be getting some EQ. My question is, since it takes so long to start working, would it still be a good idea to use it for about 12 weeks and carry my cyp usage over to 16 weeks? I am interested in collagen synthesis and protection of my tendons, ligaments, and joints. Would the cyp be causing enough substantial reduction in collagen synthesis at this point, that the EQ would be rendered ineffective between first administration during week 4 of the cyp cycle and the 10th week? Just don't want to risk any injury.

[liftsiron]

You should be fine with or without the eq as far as tendons go.

[Ashop]

May 20th, will mark 4 weeks that I've been running cyp @ 600mg/wk. At some point, before that date, I will be getting some EQ. My question is, since it takes so long to start working, would it still be a good idea to use it for about 12 weeks and carry my cyp usage over to 16 weeks? I am interested in collagen synthesis and protection of my tendons, ligaments, and joints. Would the cyp be causing enough substantial reduction in collagen synthesis at this point, that the EQ would be rendered ineffective between first administration during week 4 of the cyp cycle and the 10th week? Just don't want to risk any injury.

It would have been best to start it when you did the TEST CYP,,,but since your only 4 wks in and your doing an extended cycle you could make the EQ qork for you.

[ROCKETW19]

May 20th, will mark 4 weeks that I've been running cyp @ 600mg/wk. At some point, before that date, I will be getting some EQ. My question is, since it takes so long to start working, would it still be a good idea to use it for about 12 weeks and carry my cyp usage over to 16 weeks? I am interested in collagen synthesis and protection of my tendons, ligaments, and joints. Would the cyp be causing enough substantial reduction in collagen synthesis at this point, that the EQ would be rendered ineffective between first administration during week 4 of the cyp cycle and the 10th week? Just don't want to risk any injury.

none of us would realy know but a very good guess is the cyp will not harm you in thoes short weeks.

[estone41]

Thanks guys. I appreciate the responses, as usual. I've read a good bit of literature, albeit, somewhat too late, concerning the issue of Test and collagen synthesis disruption. It has been stated that test will decrease it by as much as 50-80% That is a HUGE decrease, and it sounds like a recipe for disaster. I figured I should have purchased the EQ prior to starting, but I wasn't aware of any real "need" for it until after I began running the cyp. Go figure. Anyway, should have done more research. I'm going to go ahead with acquiring the EQ and start it this week. I think it would be helpful, but I really wanted to keep it simple and just run cyp, diet and train hard. I suppose trial and error are par for the course, but when it comes to your body and your health, one can not afford too many errors. What do you guys think about the decrease in collagen synthesis and it's effect on tendons, etc. over an extended amount of time? ( i.e. 16 weeks )

[ROCKETW19]

Thanks guys. I appreciate the responses, as usual. I've read a good bit of literature, albeit, somewhat too late, concerning the issue of Test and collagen synthesis disruption. It has been stated that test will decrease it by as much as 50-80% That is a HUGE decrease, and it sounds like a recipe for disaster. I figured I should have purchased the EQ prior to starting, but I wasn't aware of any real "need" for it until after I began running the cyp. Go figure. Anyway, should have done more research. I'm going to go ahead with acquiring the EQ and start it this week. I think it would be helpful, but I really wanted to keep it simple and just run cyp, diet and train hard. I suppose trial and error are par for the course, but when it comes to your body and your health, one can not afford too many errors. What do you guys think about the decrease in collagen synthesis and it's effect on tendons, etc. over an extended amount of time? ( i.e. 16 weeks )

still dont see a problem even at 16 weeks. years ago I was all freaked out about that also and researched the hell out of it most seemed to "think" it would take long term abuse before it had major effects. but do any of us realy know? I can tell you I know many many friends that run test only for months and have run cycles for years with no problems.

If this is your first cycle I would not worrie about it at all. Next cycle add it in if you feel the need.

[estone41]

still dont see a problem even at 16 weeks. years ago I was all freaked out about that also and researched the hell out of it most seemed to "think" it would take long term abuse before it had major effects. but do any of us realy know? I can tell you I know many many friends that run test only for months and have run cycles for years with no problems.

If this is your first cycle I would not worrie about it at all. Next cycle add it in if you feel the need.

Thanks, Rocket. That helps to put my mind at ease. Sometimes, when I read sh** like that, it gets me all worked up with concern. I know I'm playing with fire by doing any of this, but I'm a pyromaniac by nature, so I'm loving every minute of it. Ha! Thanks again, bro.

[Raider80]

I added EQ in with sus for 8 weeks and I felt harder... but not like GRRRR, when I am on test E... I like EQ... good to stack

I have been on test for over six months.... I am at 1000 mgs a week... the strength gains are STUPID..... My ass switched over to sus for 14 weeks (Where I did the eq as well weeks 4-12)... lost almost 20 pounds on that shit but can put up more weight on a lot of body parts now, then when I was up 20 pounds. I switched to T E 4 weeks ago, GRRRR I feel like a monster...

Some will complain about the length of use but I do blood work 2 times a year.. WHILE I AM ON.... only thing in my last test was cholestral was a TAD high... not even in the HIGH section, just at high end of normal numbers....

No side effects, except HORNIENESS... had some crazy ass hairs on arms and back during sus...

who knows, I have had no issues at all... soooo... to each their own.. not saying its right, but just tellin ya what I am doin..

[tonage]

Take the Eq bro,just a test only cycle is pointless,most of what u gain,u will lost when u get off.Belive me test only will turn your tendons to shit.Remember alot of your weight will be water and when u get off u will lose strength and size and you will be mad and depressed,with eq i believe u will hold on to more size,u should always stack something with test.