new to this

[lau]

hi im pretty new to this im trying to work out ,having never used steroids what the best starting coarse is im quiet (11stone light about 5,11 have not been in training for about 6 years and im very busy,so dont get much time,i used to be a full time martial artist now im 35i have read about several different things but cant say i understand sustanon seems to be a popular choice .i also saw. a product(pill) that claims to be non harmful and legal from futurepharmaceuticals? anyone help me out here

[Bouncer]

You are "trying to work out"?

if you are just starting out and you dont have much time for training then dont bother with steroids.

you need to get in the gym, train hard and have your diet on point. only then consider steroids.

[the art of war]

steroid cycles are no bullshit - they can mess with a lot of aspects of your life. If you are very busy and what not as you mentioned I would suggest that you consider Bouncer's comment - I'll throw out some questions you should ask before going on gear:

1) How close to your maximum potential are you ?
2) If that has been reached in your eyes , what goals are you trying to achieve by going on gear, are you looking to cut / bulk - what's the diet plan - the food is your fuel brother, you will not see gains anywhere near you could with proper diet.
3) Are you ready to accept that with steroids, there are going to be side affects - take all the measures, be prepared for gyno with some nolva on hand - even be safer - get some letro as well.
4) Now that you have nolva - get a real planned out simple plan of test only , 500mgs a week is going to be more than enough to shut you down and to give you incredible gains if incorporated with proper training. But now you are shut down - get ready to use that nolva 3 weeks after your final test shot for your PCT.
5) Re think all of the above and consider the fact that once you go on, you've changed your body for good - this is your first cycle - it should be your best - do not go on until you are ready to devote everything mentioned not only while on but when you come off also.

Best of luck brother - be safe. Some things you get one chance at doing right , this is a big one - do it right and reap the rewards. Best of luck bro.

[lau]

ok guys cheers ,
bouncer hi ,before when i trained i was was training 40 + hours a week free weight s mixed arts(6) cardio etc etc so when i say im trying to wwork out in my mind 10 hours a week is trying if you know what i mean
i have come on to seek the advice of experts.
I am unfamillier with steroids,i have been out of full time traing for about 6 /7 years,i would estimate i have lost 1/maybe 2 stone in weight,but before my goal was power and speed.
now i would like a little kick to produce a bigger(not massive) toned body that is managable,
excuse my ignorance gyno? nolva letro?
another question is sustanon available in tablet form i saw a add for sustanon 250 noval nal and ester modification .

i ask because i have never used a needle in my life and that thought is a bit worrying.

i appreciate your help as to understand what i am doing and if it is the best route for me .
i have read up on several different steroids and sust seems to be by far the safest,iread up on
protein and carbohydrates it recomends 2-2.5 grams per kilo and 5grams p/k for carbs thanks lau

[lau]

ok just checked out the gyno-nolva-letro,so the use of either nolva or letro b4 you start a cycle should in affect prevent gyno,
if you are not planning on being very big does the same problem exist or is it something that occurs once you reach a certain size and then actually stop?
after now reading a bit more ,you are saying i should run a cousre of this with or before hand to stop gyno b4 it starts
AS for effort on a cousre of sust what regine (time wise) would you consider not to be a waste of use of the st

[Gods Son]

Sustanon is over rated IMO. Not garbage but lots of cheaper and better options.Go Cyp or Enanthate

[the art of war]

ok just checked out the gyno-nolva-letro,so the use of either nolva or letro b4 you start a cycle should in affect prevent gyno,
if you are not planning on being very big does the same problem exist or is it something that occurs once you reach a certain size and then actually stop?
after now reading a bit more ,you are saying i should run a cousre of this with or before hand to stop gyno b4 it starts
AS for effort on a cousre of sust what regine (time wise) would you consider not to be a waste of use of the st

Man I gotta be honest bro I'm studying and this is the hardest thing I've tried to decipher today. In short - Nolva should be kept on hand if you start to notice sensitive nipples .. early warning signs of gyno. And it is your PCT.

Letro should be used if gyno has developed and you want to get rid of it - I've never used letro so I'll let someone with experience help you more here.

Sust , some people love it some people don't. I prefer a simple shot once a week - something like Gods Son mentioned Test - cyp , Test - enth

First cycle regardless of what form of test (sust,cyp,enth) should be a long these lines.
Week 1-12 500mg
Wait few weeks after your last shot and start nolva at 40mg,continue for 3 weeks, drop to 20, continue for three weeks. The end. That's how I've done it - best of luck.

[Bouncer]

Man I gotta be honest bro I'm studying and this is the hardest thing I've tried to decipher today. In short - Nolva should be kept on hand if you start to notice sensitive nipples .. early warning signs of gyno. And it is your PCT.

Letro should be used if gyno has developed and you want to get rid of it - I've never used letro so I'll let someone with experience help you more here.

Sust , some people love it some people don't. I prefer a simple shot once a week - something like Gods Son mentioned Test - cyp , Test - enth

First cycle regardless of what form of test (sust,cyp,enth) should be a long these lines.
Week 1-12 500mg
Wait few weeks after your last shot and start nolva at 40mg,continue for 3 weeks, drop to 20, continue for three weeks. The end. That's how I've done it - best of luck.

:clapback: well said, well said indeed!

[the art of war]

:clapback: well said, well said indeed!

I told you man, it's the fucking peptides that don't click, it's like working with mercury man, it's hot science. :weights:

[lau]

I know im a bit dumb at the mo but the 500 mg is the stack i assume not the nolva .i appreciate you guys bearing with me on this.
what would you recomend as a a minimum time scale for excercise to start out a week to actually have a benafit from the stack ,like bouncer said "trying to work out" i mean i have thought about this for a while and i am prepared to go at it hard but ,just so i have an idea of what the pros would consider adequite chher lau

[lau]

ok a bit more reading .
On the side of sex etc do the sters have any adverse affect over all or does it depend on the person? just read a couple of articles that were a bit scary

[the art of war]

when I go in and lift tomorrow for example - I'm doing back, I'll be doing deadlifts - there is a good chance I will puke.

Training tough is a mindset that the last rep never comes, get a good training partner or spotter - and force till you can't imagine a drop more blood going into the muscle group you are working. It's balls to the wall brother.

Yeah the test would be 500mg a week bro. As for side affects, everyone responds differently but sex sides ... well I sure as hell am ready to fuck whenever haha I love "side affects" of test on sex. Other steroids can give you adverse affects but test man.. not a chance.

I don't mean to come off as an ass - because you gotta learn this stuff and this is a great place to be doing it - but seriously consider where you are at with your natural training and diet. It could simply be how you've worded things, maybe you could post a pic (blur out your face for your own security) so we could see where you are at. If nothing else it could be a before and after!

I say this because I get the feeling from your posts you are most likely not at the point where you need steroids yet bro. Don't take it the wrong way, for all I know you could dwarf me, I'm just trying to make sure for your own good you don't jump the gun. The diet and training is the most important - once you have those down to the point where you are at to or close to your bodies max potential, then absolutely, juice!

[lau]

the thing is i am small built ,before i was very well defined but i never seem to put any weight on even on even on high carb high proyein diets it took me 3 years to put on 13 lbs in muscle mind what i was before i was talking to some friends who advised as a major kick boost and for the the very best results i should consider this.so here i am.
Im still considering everything ,but another question can you recomemnd a site to look at the pricings ect and does anyone do a total pack found one site but they say on screen they have no stock.

[the art of war]

the thing is i am small built ,before i was very well defined but i never seem to put any weight on even on even on high carb high proyein diets it took me 3 years to put on 13 lbs in muscle mind what i was before i was talking to some friends who advised as a major kick boost and for the the very best results i should consider this.so here i am.
Im still considering everything ,but another question can you recomemnd a site to look at the pricings ect and does anyone do a total pack found one site but they say on screen they have no stock.

Take a look at the guidelines brother - this site is for steroid discussion absolutely no posting prices / sources - a lot of sites are lax about this and they end up getting shut down .... people get in trouble. A lot of people make this mistake don't feel bad about it - I did same thing when I started on the boards and got scammed - could've been a lot worse though. This is for your safety, how you acquire steroids has nothing to do with the research end of it which is this forum. Be safe n strong bro.