Newbie doing research - would like to talk to real users

[neetoyouagain]

Hi all,

I'm a 30 year old that has always been a real thin guy (nearly every single female around me is bigger than I am - though not usually stronger). I look like a skin-and-bones teen and I have been trying to get away from that. Yes, one day I would like to be huge. I have always wanted that, but I never had the education, the time, equipment, etc. Now, I have completed college, gotten a good job, bought free weights and a power rack, etc. The point is, I have time to dedicate to this now.

At 5'10", I weight about 175 lbs and I can only bench about 140 lbs, so I have fat to lose. I plan to try fasting (in the mean time) for that, since I don't have enough info to start a stack yet. I have read Control's "Steroid Checklist" and am adhering to his advice to what extent it applies to me.

What I want most is a kick-start and I am willing to take some risks for it. I can workout for months at a time, but I end up getting depressed because of my size and the slow progress. I deeply want to get married, but I can't do it if I feel so embarrassed by myself. All I need is enough size to be able to look at myself in the mirror and say, "You're a normal guy now. You don't need to worry anymore." Once I get to that size (and I do have a visual idea of what that will look like - having observed others), I plan to go natural from then on.

Please understand, I do not have a problem. I have never been high, drunk, nor even smoked before. For 30 years, I have resisted sex and everything else that I saw destroying the lives of the young people around me, while I was growing up. This will be my first experience with any kind of substance of this nature. I don't know why my mind is so wrapped up in muscularity. I've always been able to put more important things first, but I NEVER forgot my life long dream. This has always been my silent obsession - and my greatest secret.

I am an intellectual and I will probably spend the new few months mulling over all the info I can get my hands on... and when I think I have it figured out - I'll tempt people to prove me wrong. I'm very stubborn and careful.

I'm trying to begin by understanding the basic methodology behind this process. For example, I see the steroid.com site trying to sell a "mass stack" - Deca 200 + D-anabol 25 + Tren 75

Now, putting aside the fact that steroid.com is probably a sting site, I've seen this type of setup elsewhere as well. Here's my partial preliminary analysis:

Deca
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Active Ingredient: Nandrolone
Increases muscle growth, appetite, red blood cell production, and bone density.


D-anabol 25
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Active Ingredient: Metandesenolone
Nasty stuff, but very potent. Increases the rate of several biological processes, such as protein synthesis and glycogenolysis - basically it's a higher risk strength gainer. It's side effects are among the worst: gynecomastia, high blood pressure, acne, and baldness.


Tren 75
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Trenbolone increases muscle growth, appetite, slows fat storage, and catabolism.

From what I've read so far, Deca and Tren appear to be among the AS's that have less side effects and risks than others. The estrogenic side effects are probably the ones I'm mostly afraid of (since it takes surgery to fix), and they are less likely to occur with Deca and Tren. Deca seems like the lesser risk, among the two. D-anabol worries me a bit.

Here's a question for you - why stack? Why not just use Deca, since it seems to do the same thing as the other two? My assumption is that there is less risk in taking smaller doses of each, rather than larger doses of just one. I am left wondering, however, if a person in my position should NOT stack - or at least leave out the D-anabol. I can't be certain, but I think about 20 - 30 lbs of muscle gain might be enough for me. So, for example, I get a Deca-type product and hope for at least 5 lbs of muscle gains per month. Is that realistic?

I suppose I should also mention the fact that I'm a hard gainer. I do the major free weight exercises, which I've researched on bodybuilding.com, but I struggle to increase in weight each week. I hope for 10 lb. increases, but I often get only 5 or so. I eat about 200g of protein per day, little by little, about every 2 hours. I spend 2 hours per day on my workouts (pre-workout meal, stretching, warm-up, etc.). I'm just a hard gainer that is sick and tired of being scrawny. I've made progress, but I want more and I don't have any more years of my life that I would like to see disappear while I struggle with this.

Well, thanks for reading, I know I wrote a lot.

I really like this guy --> :pissed:

[Bouncer]

You never mentioned anything about your diet. This is the single biggest factor. What is your current diet? To grow you need to eat more cals then you are burning.

As for the steroid questions, you are incorrect, tren has a huge amount of sides, it is one of the harshest steroids.

Testosterone is the single easiest and safe steroid to deal with. Any estrogen sides can be delt with by a serm (nolvadex) or an AI (arimadex, letrozole, etc..)

Any steroid will shut down your natural test levels. So if you run a steroid cycle without testosterone you are setting yourself up for many sides and issues.

[ROCKETW19]

I agree with bouncer on everything he said and would like to add in a bit more.
I see your concern with estrogen but progestrone is just as nasty and will do the same thing. stacking deca and tren is the crazyest thing ever IMO.
speaking of stacking a first time user should NEVER stack compounds. you need to know what is doing what in your body good or bad if you are taking 2 different drugs you wont know what is what.
Very smart of you to not trust that site for gear. that is just crazy to goto a site like that and order shit. both thoes sites you mentioned are pretty much huge adertisments for them selfs. you want real info from people that have nothing to gain stay right here we want to help just to help we have no hidden agendas trying to make cash from you.

Please post your diet with or without steroids diet is the key to all your concerns.
post like this

7:00 6 eggs 1 cup oatmeal
10:00 7oz chicken breast 1 cup brown rice
1:00 ect ect
ect
ect

[3v1lj03]

The "mass stack" at steroid.com is herbal and is not the real thing. I would not waste my time since they are not even prohormones not that I wouold waste my money on prohormones either

[neetoyouagain]

I just wanted to login and say thank you to all who are replying. I had to work late today and I need to get to bed, now that the workout is over, but I will be back tomorrow and will post my diet. Thank you, again!

[neetoyouagain]

Well, that was fun. Internet was out when I got home. Anyways, I still have a lot of research to do on what you all have been saying thus far, so I can talk about it intelligently.

Sample meal plan:

8:00 - Detour bar or similar (30g protein @ 340 cal)
11:00 - 600 Cal lunch, about 60g protein (meat - usually chicken)
1:00 - Chicken tenders (20g protein)
3:00 - Pure Protein bar or similar (20g protein @ 180 Cal)
5:00 - Seeds and/or Nuts (20g protein & however many calories, probably a lot since it's mostly cashews, peanuts, pecans, etc.)
7:00 - 300 - 400 Cal dinner (40g+ protein)
10:00 - whatever I can scrounge up around the house - milk, eggs, cheese, more of the above, whatever - i just want 20g more protein.

That's pretty much my target. I don't miss meals, but sometimes I can't finish them, because I work at a desk and don't get much exercise during the work day. It's a lot of food for me during the week. The weekends aren't as much of a problem, cause I can jump on the elliptical.

:hibb: OK, so what'cha think? Less health food, more potato chips!?!? :thumup: