Thoughts on a spring cycle.

[dog.bite]

I leave this place soon and would like to start a cycle shortly after I return home. I'd like your thoughts on the cycle below. I have always had a problem with water retention and think this combo will keep it low. Remember that I'm in an organization that notices things like a puffy face and a lot of weight gain fast, people start to ask questions so avoiding that is important.

Week 1 through 6: 40mg Anavar; split into 20mg am and then 20mg pm everyday

Week 2 through 5: 37.5mg Tren ace; every other day

Week 7 through 10: Noval

How does this look?

Is it possible to do a very short cycle of tren ace by itself for 4 weeks? Something like that would be optimal...gain a little weight every few months...? Thanks.

[ROCKETW19]

Ya bro i agree with rado not a good idea.
why not a real low dose of test E and a good diet? you could even stack it with anavar, Mastron or EQ and you will not get puffy looking or anything like that.

[dog.bite]

Rado & Rocket: It appears my cycle idea it not a good idea. So let me ask you this, Test-E at 125mg a week and Anavar at 40mg a day...keeping doses low, but within a level to see some results. Will the Anavar keep water retention down? How long would you recommend running both? What kind of PCT would you recommend? Thanks!

[ROCKETW19]

Rado & Rocket: It appears my cycle idea it not a good idea. So let me ask you this, Test-E at 125mg a week and Anavar at 40mg a day...keeping doses low, but within a level to see some results. Will the Anavar keep water retention down? How long would you recommend running both? What kind of PCT would you recommend? Thanks!

125mgs per isnt enough special for a youngster like yourself. I would go 250min per week. the anavar wont keep bloat down diet will. If you went with mastron yes that would help some. you can run it as long as you want but 12 weeks min.
PCT would be nolvadex for 5 weeks

[dog.bite]

Rocket: Aren't we about the same age youngster:) Anyway, I read up on Masteron and it looks like it would counter the bloat that test may bring on. The profile also read those with receding hair lines might want to skip it because of its strong androgenic effects, so perhaps I will stay with the Anavar and the Test-E. I'll try and focus on diet to prevent bloat, but is there anything out there that I can take to help with the excess water retention that is not a steroid or hormone based...something like a diuretic like hydrochlorothiazide? Thanks.

[ROCKETW19]

Rocket: Aren't we about the same age youngster:) Anyway, I read up on Masteron and it looks like it would counter the bloat that test may bring on. The profile also read those with receding hair lines might want to skip it because of its strong androgenic effects, so perhaps I will stay with the Anavar and the Test-E. I'll try and focus on diet to prevent bloat, but is there anything out there that I can take to help with the excess water retention that is not a steroid or hormone based...something like a diuretic like hydrochlorothiazide? Thanks.

No diuretics bro specially where you are at you will dehydrate in a heart beat.
If diet wont counter the bloat you can use something called arimedex ( I hope i spelled that right) A-dex will slow or stop the production of estrogen depending how much you take. Just remember we need estrogen to grow.

[jack tors]

I leave this place soon and would like to start a cycle shortly after I return home. I'd like your thoughts on the cycle below. I have always had a problem with water retention and think this combo will keep it low. Remember that I'm in an organization that notices things like a puffy face and a lot of weight gain fast, people start to ask questions so avoiding that is important.

Are you trying to cut or just not bloat while on?

I would run 400-500mgs of test


Nolva (tamoxifen) 20-40 mg/day
OR
(anastrozole) arimidex .5-1 mg/day

you should not have noticeable bloat with that... start with the lower amount. if its too much you'll know you will be too dry and joints will hurt. happens to me when i use Letro which is much stronger.

EDIT: this works best for me.
nolva @ 10mg ED
adex @ .25 - .5mg ED

I skip a 1-2 days a week (take none) to ensure I have enough E in my system to grow.

[dog.bite]

Rocket: Thanks!

Jack: I'm trying not to bloat, I have a tendency to retain lots of water when I'm on a cycle...even with a good diet. That said, I'm also in the Army so bloating is too obvious and too much weight gain is obvious as well. I want to do a cycle that keeps water retention very low and weight gain moderate. Too much of either and people start to notice and begin talking, which = very bad for me.

[dog.bite]

My ignorance continues, but listen to this theory. Let me play the Devil's Advocate for a moment with the non-traditional cycle (no test). I know you feel strongly about incorporating test into all cycles Rocket, but hear me out and please tell me your thoughts. I read more on Anavar on this site and others. For what I'm trying to achieve would you think Anavar to be a very good choice? Please read the following excerpts:

Oxandrolone will not aromatize,

This steroid works well for the promotion of strength and duality muscle mass gains, although it's mild nature makes it less than ideal for bulking purposes. Among bodybuilders it is most commonly used during cutting phases of training when water retention is a concern.

The standard dosage for men is in the range of 20-50mg per day, a level that should produce noticeable results.

Studies using low dosages of this compound note minimal interferences with natural testosterone production. Likewise when it is used alone in small amounts there is typically no need for ancillary drugs like Clomid/Nolvadex or HCG. This has a lot to do with the fact that it does not convert to estrogen, which we know has an extremely profound effect on endogenous hormone production. Without estrogen to trigger negative feedback, we seem to note a higher threshold before inhibition is noted. But at higher dosages of course, a suppression of natural testosterone levels will still occur with this drug as with any anabolic/androgenic steroid and therefore require post cycle therapy to restore the HPTA.

Anavar is also a 17alpha alkylated oral steroid, carrying an alteration that will put stress on the liver. It is important to point out however that dispite this alteration oxandrolone is generally very well tolerated. While liver enzyme tests will occasionally show elevated values, actual damage due to this steroid is not usually a problem. Bio-Technology General states that oxandrolone is not as extensively metabolized by the liver as other l7aa orals are; evidenced by the fact that nearly a third of the compound is still intact when excreted in the urine. This may have to do with the understood milder nature of this agent (compared to other l7aa orals) in terms of hepatotoxicity. One study comparing the effects of oxandrolone to other agents including as methyltestosterone, norethandrolone, fluoxymesterone and methAndriol clearly supports this notion. Here it was demonstrated that oxandrolone causes the lowest sulfobromophthalein (BSP; a marker of liver stress) retention among all the alkylated orals tested. 20mg of oxandrolone in fact produced 72% less BSP retention than an equal dosage of fluoxyrnesterone, which is a considerable difference being that they possess the same liver-toxic alteration. With such findings, combined with the fact that athletes rarely report trouble with this drug, most feel comfortable believing it to be much safer to use during longer cycles than most of other orals with this distinction. Although this may very well be true, the chance of liver damage still cannot be excluded, especially with hogher dosages.

That said, could I just take Anavar with nothing else? It barely suppresses your own test production, produces almost no extra estrogen within your body, very little if at all any water retention and it's mild in regards to liver function. It reads that you may not even need PCT if your doses are not too high, but what is too high? Very interested in your response, because this alone seems to be everything I'm looking for. Thanks.

[redback]

125mg test E a week ? lol

[ROCKETW19]

Nope bro ANY steroid takin at a dose high enough to build muscle will shut you down. What is a high dose to you? I have no clue? If you are gonna take it take it and use a propper PCT.
I personaly wouldnt even know if I was on anavar alone or if I was on flinstone chewables. you might respond different though?

[dog.bite]

Alright, I obviously still do not have a true concept of AAS. I guess I was thinking that even if test is shut down in your body the AAS that isn't test (i.e. Anavar) would take the place of it and estrogen levels would still be low enough on that to work. So enough of my theorizing and I will just go with Test-E (250mg a week min) and Novaldex. One last question: Some say use Novaldex during and some say after. What's the difference?

[dog.bite]

125mg test E a week ? lol

C'mon Redback, that's why the fuck I'm on here. So you meatheads can point me in the right direction! :) :wack: :)

[redback]

C'mon Redback, that's why the fuck I'm on here. So you meatheads can point me in the right direction! :) :wack: :)

Lol just bustin ya balls bro all good

[dog.bite]

Lol just bustin ya balls bro all good

I know man...:)