test/ tren cycle questuon

[molonlabe1911]

Hello bros. I am new here, but have been lifting for a long time. I am 28 and have been lifting for over 10 years. I have also done about 6 previous cycles. I am by no means an experienced user though. All my cycles were just one or two bottle cycles, mostly 6-8 weeks in duration. I got great results from all of them though surely not as good as they could have been.

My stats are, 5'10', 240lb, and 18% bf.

This go around I was going to do Tren only, but decided to toss in Test to curb sides plus aid in mass gains. I am not looking to gain 20lb. All I want is to boost strength, add maybe 10lb of muscle and drop down to as close to 10% bf as I can get.

I only had enough spare cash to score one 10ml vial of each Tren E 200mg/ml and Test E 300mg/ml.

I am wondering if it would be better to run 10 weeks at one ml each per week, or 7 weeks at one ml every 5 days.

The only other option is run one ml every 4 days and buy more in a few weeks. I would rather run what I have, but if everyone says its worthless to do that I may get more in a couple weeks.

Thanks in advance.

[ROCKETW19]

Hello bros. I am new here, but have been lifting for a long time. I am 28 and have been lifting for over 10 years. I have also done about 6 previous cycles. I am by no means an experienced user though. All my cycles were just one or two bottle cycles, mostly 6-8 weeks in duration. I got great results from all of them though surely not as good as they could have been.

My stats are, 5'10', 240lb, and 18% bf.

This go around I was going to do Tren only, but decided to toss in Test to curb sides plus aid in mass gains. I am not looking to gain 20lb. All I want is to boost strength, add maybe 10lb of muscle and drop down to as close to 10% bf as I can get.

I only had enough spare cash to score one 10ml vial of each Tren E 200mg/ml and Test E 300mg/ml.

I am wondering if it would be better to run 10 weeks at one ml each per week, or 7 weeks at one ml every 5 days.

The only other option is run one ml every 4 days and buy more in a few weeks. I would rather run what I have, but if everyone says its worthless to do that I may get more in a couple weeks.

Thanks in advance.

A few things first you should look to diet to drop down your Body fat not steroids.
I think you can get away with 1ML each week problem is I would run the test 3 or so weeks longer just to make sure the tren has cleared before going into PCT. If not it will be hard to recover at least for me even if running HCG.

[molonlabe1911]

Great point, but dropping fat is not my only goal. I also want the increased strength and to maintain mass while also trimming. Dieting will both decrease strength and energy as well as cause some slight muscle loss due to the lower calorie intake.

I just want to take a light and fairly short cycle to get a boost in strength and mass, as well as trim some fat through a clean diet.

I have never been the guy to cycle, PCT, cycle,PCT, and so on.

I only do juice every once in a while to get a little boost. I have steadily gone from 160lb to my current 240lb over about 10 years. I don't want to be huge. Just strong and pretty big.

Thanks for your advice. I have read your posts on this forum and can tell you know what you are talking about. I also appreciate that you aren't one if the wise ass dudes that just say "that cycle sucks" or something like that.

[Ashop]

Great point, but dropping fat is not my only goal. I also want the increased strength and to maintain mass while also trimming. Dieting will both decrease strength and energy as well as cause some slight muscle loss due to the lower calorie intake.

I just want to take a light and fairly short cycle to get a boost in strength and mass, as well as trim some fat through a clean diet.

I have never been the guy to cycle, PCT, cycle,PCT, and so on.

I only do juice every once in a while to get a little boost. I have steadily gone from 160lb to my current 240lb over about 10 years. I don't want to be huge. Just strong and pretty big.

Thanks for your advice. I have read your posts on this forum and can tell you know what you are talking about. I also appreciate that you aren't one if the wise ass dudes that just say "that cycle sucks" or something like that.

I would never suggest running TREN alone. You need to run some additional testosterone. You will look and FEEL much better in doing so. TREN can shut you down pretty hard.

[molonlabe1911]

After lots of reading I have decided to just commit to buying two more bottles.

I am going to run Tren at 400mg/ week and Test at 600mg/ week for 11-12 weeks then PCT.

Thanks for the advice. Will update on progress.

[ROCKETW19]

After lots of reading I have decided to just commit to buying two more bottles.

I am going to run Tren at 400mg/ week and Test at 600mg/ week for 11-12 weeks then PCT.

Thanks for the advice. Will update on progress.

Bad idea bro, first have you used tren before? you are also gonna want to run the test past the tren to let it clear if not PCT will be ruff and you probably wont recover like you should. it would help if you used HCG your last 6 or so weeks but still gonna be bad.

[molonlabe1911]

Bad idea bro, first have you used tren before? you are also gonna want to run the test past the tren to let it clear if not PCT will be ruff and you probably wont recover like you should. it would help if you used HCG your last 6 or so weeks but still gonna be bad.

Dang, now I am confused again.

First of all. I have run Tren E in three previous cycles. All three times my sides were very minimal and my PCT was smooth. But I also ran low doses 200mg/week.

So should I run Tren high for 8 weeks with the Test, then just run my last three weeks on Test only.

I need to figure this shit out so I know what to buy.

I really do appreciate your advice.

[ROCKETW19]

Dang, now I am confused again.

First of all. I have run Tren E in three previous cycles. All three times my sides were very minimal and my PCT was smooth. But I also ran low doses 200mg/week.

So should I run Tren high for 8 weeks with the Test, then just run my last three weeks on Test only.

I need to figure this shit out so I know what to buy.

I really do appreciate your advice.

This is just me and it might not effect you at all but 200mgs I am fine on tren and it works great anything over 300mgs and I get progestrone gyno. but no matter how many MGs you decide I would make sure to run the test past a few weeks.

saying all that, that is just me. if you already used tren with no problems then dont change it since it already works for you.

[molonlabe1911]

This is just me and it might not effect you at all but 200mgs I am fine on tren and it works great anything over 300mgs and I get progestrone gyno. but no matter how many MGs you decide I would make sure to run the test past a few weeks.

saying all that, that is just me. if you already used tren with no problems then dont change it since it already works for you.

Right on bro. Maybe I am just over thinking it. 200mg Tren has always given me great results. I just been reading how that is too low of a dose.

I will just start with maybe 300mg Tren and 450 test and see how it goes.

The only sides I got from Tren were aggression and sweating like a pig.

Thanks again bro. I will keep you posted.

[ROCKETW19]

Right on bro. Maybe I am just over thinking it. 200mg Tren has always given me great results. I just been reading how that is too low of a dose.

I will just start with maybe 300mg Tren and 450 test and see how it goes.

The only sides I got from Tren were aggression and sweating like a pig.

Thanks again bro. I will keep you posted.

this sounds like a reasonable cycle and I see you making great progress with this. and yes keep us posted

[molonlabe1911]

So far, so Awesome on the cycle.

I am on week two and 4 shots in. Running .75ml twice per week.
Test, 450mg/week
Tren, 300mg/week

Strength is already up considerably. Up 50lb on bench, 90lb on squats. I have gained 2 lb overall but am also down 4% in bodyfat......from22% to 18%.

Only side I am experiencing so far is slight gyno.

Which brings me to a new question......what can I take to fight the gyno during my cycle that will not hinder my gains?

[Bouncer]

2 weeks in and already gyno? sorry to tell you my friend but things do not look good for you.

you are getting progesterone type gyno from the tren and then there is the chance of estrogen type gyno from the test. nothing you can take will stop the combo of tren and test if you are so sensitive to it that you are already getting gyno at week 2.

trust me when i tell you, if you dont drop the tren now, you will have tits the size of your girlfriends by the time the cycle is over. seen it before with guys on test and tren and very sensative to it.

[molonlabe1911]

2 weeks in and already gyno? sorry to tell you my friend but things do not look good for you.

you are getting progesterone type gyno from the tren and then there is the chance of estrogen type gyno from the test. nothing you can take will stop the combo of tren and test if you are so sensitive to it that you are already getting gyno at week 2.

trust me when i tell you, if you dont drop the tren now, you will have tits the size of your girlfriends by the time the cycle is over. seen it before with guys on test and tren and very sensative to it.

This is the first time I have ever had gyno symptoms. Mostly it is just sensitivity and slight soreness on one side only. Not really any swelling, but a slight tiny knot in there.

Will lowering dosage help, or should I stop completely?

[Bouncer]

its the tren bro, gyno from test would not even be close to starting after only 2 weeks.

you are sensitive to progesterone from the tren just like me. you could try lowering the tren and upping the test but for me that did not work. i cannot take tren or deca because of progesterone.

with test it is very easy to control gyno with nolvadex or letro. but the combo of estrogen and prgesterone is usually one that cannot be stopped.

if i were you i would forget the tren, up the test a bit and then run some low dose nolva.

[ROCKETW19]

So far, so Awesome on the cycle.

I am on week two and 4 shots in. Running .75ml twice per week.
Test, 450mg/week
Tren, 300mg/week

Strength is already up considerably. Up 50lb on bench, 90lb on squats. I have gained 2 lb overall but am also down 4% in bodyfat......from22% to 18%.

Only side I am experiencing so far is slight gyno.

Which brings me to a new question......what can I take to fight the gyno during my cycle that will not hinder my gains?

As Bouncer said dropping it would be best, but you already know you can handel 200mgs as you have before so if you dont drop lower it to 200mgs and see what happens