Dbol only cycle!

[Bouncer]

So here is my thinking. 25mgs before workout and only on workout days (5 days a week). Take it with my prework out supp (No-Xplode) about 45 minutes before training.

My thinking is that you could get the benefits of the dbol without the sides by using it only on training days and only once per day.

I have my doubts about the ability of 25mgs once per day 5 days per week to be able to shut down your natural test levels. There has to be a certain dose that you either do shutdown or dont shutdown your natural levels correct?

Thoughts and any real science and studies are welcomed.

And before anyone starts spouting off at the mouth, I am well aware of the idea behind a "dbol only cycle" but I am always looking for ways to get the benefits of something without all the negatives that come with it.

[Bouncer]

Interesting quote from a mod and Canadian Bodybuilder from a different forum. he was responding to everyone saying, "dbol only is bad" like we have all said for years...



""all these people quoting "facts", but I have yet to actually see one

"fact", the more anabolic a drug is, the more it will help you to build actual muscle tissue, not water retention, but actual growth.

"fact", dbol is one of the most anabolic drugs out there, mg per mg, it may just be the most anabolic, definitely going by my own experience.

so combine those 2 "facts", and dbol is superior in many ways, to many other anabolic steroids. So why does the old wive's tale about dbol only cycles still persist, that you cant gain and maintain real mass with it....Off hand I can see a few reasons....One, due to another wives tale about how hard it is on the liver, dbol cycles tend to be short, in the order of around 4 weeks, while test and other injectables cycles tend to be in the 8-12 week range. So no brainer, you will gain and keep more off one of the other cycles. Not to mention, add the the mg per week in a test cycle, and compare it to the mgs per week in a dbol cycle, the dbol user is using much less.

Also add in the fact that many that run dbol only cycles due so because they dont want to inject, which tends to have the users who are much less serious about bodybuilding taking this route...those more serious about getting huge, will get over their fear of poking. So this often being the case, the user knows less about training and nutrition, so they dont gain as much pure mass from the cycle as the experienced or serious user. Most of what they gain tends to be water, which of course is pissed out when they stop they cycle, regardless of the pct you follow. Also, this less experienced user, often has difficulty telling the difference between the water gained, and the muscle mass, this is easy to do as much of that water is held within the muscle, its not bloat....I fell for this many times during my early cycles

But I can honestly attribute much of my overall mass to dbol, arnold called it the breakfast of champions for a reason, and I think he knew more about bodybuilding than your average person who has these opinions of dbol. Mg per mg, dbol is by far the best steroid I have ever used...I have been cycling pretty extensively over the years, and as my avatar shows, I've done pretty well. And I am willing to bet I wouldnt be half this advanced without the drug

Dbol only cycles can be done successfully with lots of mass retained, you just need to keep a few things in mind""

[Bouncer]

"In a study done in the early 80’s, a very high dose of Dbol (100mgs/day for 6 weeks) decreased plasma testosterone to about 40% of it’s normal value, plasma GH went up about a third, LH dropped to about 80% of it’s original value, and FSH went down about a third"

[Bouncer]

"In a study done in the early 80’s, a very high dose of Dbol (100mgs/day for 6 weeks) decreased plasma testosterone to about 40% of it’s normal value, plasma GH went up about a third, LH dropped to about 80% of it’s original value, and FSH went down about a third"

So tell me if my thinking is wrong here guys. If 100mgs per day only dropped test plasma levels to 40% of its original value then 25mgs per day would have 1/4th of that effect? In other words, 25mgs per day should not really have much of an effect if 100mgs did not come close to completely shutting you down. Am I completely off base here?

[edvedr]

you peeked my interest. do you plan on trying this and getting blood work done before and after?

[Bouncer]

Possibly trying it but doubt the blood work part. I would go by how I look, sex drive, how much I lose when I come off and how I feel when I come off. all those factors combined will tell me what i need to know.

a big part of all this is how beneficial 25mgs pre workout only on workout days will be. i have to decide if it will be worth it. need more opinions studies and science to make the decision.

[Mr I]

Its an interesting concept and one that I have pondered before.

One spike per day with the short half life of dbol - will this cause significant shut down?

My thoughts are that if your gonna do this then def do it during the day pre workout, try and time it so that its heavily assimulated and on its way out before bed time, sleep being the time your body produces test from the leydig cells.

The other question is, is one spike a day enough for gains, sure it will help your pump in the gym assuming sufficient calories but what about all the nitrogen retention benefits for the rest of the days eating? Is one dose enough?

Personally I think it will still shut you down. No scintifiv proof but your body goes through a daily cycle righ? Yes Mr Incredible, so its probably the drop in test levels during the day that stimulate the release of LH which your nads react to once your asleep.

If you test is high little ot no LH gets produced because the budy has no need.

[ROCKETW19]

So your point is taking 25mgs only workout days will not shut you down?
Or is your point that dbol all by its self will work?
If its #1 I have no clue what it will take to shut you down but there is a quote in a anabolics book I remember. "any steroid takin at high enough dose to build muscle will shut you down"

If its number 2 they I will have to say I have seen people take dbol only and it work just fine, LOL I have seen a guy take anavar only and it worked.

If neither of these things are what you are talking about then sorry and I am lost.

[Bouncer]

both really. just want some opinions and thoughts.

rocket see post #3 in this thread. even 100mgs per day still did not cause compete shutdown. i would reason that 25mgs per day would have a much smaller effect on shutdown then 100mgs.

[Mr I]

Its staggering, you just about educate yourself away from aas and here you are again like a dumb 18 year old all over again !

[Bouncer]

Its staggering, you just about educate yourself away from aas and here you are again like a dumb 18 year old all over again !

:rofl:

the difference being that i need to know and understand exactly how somethin works. i do not accept bro science and people who say "dbol only is bad" when they dont have anything to base it on.

i believe in the science.

[ROCKETW19]

:rofl:

the difference being that i need to know and understand exactly how somethin works. i do not accept bro science and people who say "dbol only is bad" when they dont have anything to base it on.

i believe in the science.

I am not sure people say Dbol only is bad cuz it dont work. I THINK they mean there are better choices then dbol only. Then again I dont realy know what they mean,lol

[ROCKETW19]

"In a study done in the early 80’s, a very high dose of Dbol (100mgs/day for 6 weeks) decreased plasma testosterone to about 40% of it’s normal value, plasma GH went up about a third, LH dropped to about 80% of it’s original value, and FSH went down about a third"

I have no clue what any of that means

[Bouncer]

I have no clue what any of that means

you really need to put more effort in for fucks sake. lol.

you can see that it is saying 100mgs per day had an effect on shutting down hormone levels correct? well thats all you need to understand. 100mgs per day which is a high does DID NOT completely shut the subjects down. so it only stands to reason that 1/4th of 100mgs.... 25mgs would have a much smaller effect on shut down.

do you understand, or do you want to play rocket retard some more? :retard:

[ROCKETW19]

you really need to put more effort in for fucks sake. lol.

you can see that it is saying 100mgs per day had an effect on shutting down hormone levels correct? well thats all you need to understand. 100mgs per day which is a high does DID NOT completely shut the subjects down. so it only stands to reason that 1/4th of 100mgs.... 25mgs would have a much smaller effect on shut down.

do you understand, or do you want to play rocket retard some more? :retard:

LOL, I got the part where it only shut off 40% but what does that actually mean? what effects does that have on you? dont play smart guy cuz you dont have any clue either.

your reasoning about 1/4 the dose makes sence but that dont mean its right. Thats your own version of bro science that I though you were trying to get away from?