Bad reaction to test

[COLOSSUS]

Here's a hypothetical for you guys see if you can clear something up for me. Iv done my share of research and know the effects of what I am asking so bare with me its just a question.

From my experience with test it seems that even with serms/ ai I seem to be effected severely by estrogen due to either aromitization and or rebound when coming off.
And I v tried nolva/letro/clomid during or 3 weeks after etc etc...

Now for my question...is there any safe AS/way of takin an AS by itself and not having take test along with it?

I know the base of every cycle should always be test but I don't know if its something with my natural hormones/ genes that react poorly to the up in test but I feel that test just gets me everytime having me battling gyno problems left and right.

This is just in case late along the line I want to get back on and not have to worry about estrogen problems.

[dago]

I used winstrol a few times without stacking with test but they were short cycles around 6 weeks. No estrogen problems and I did keep some of the strength and gains after coming off.

[COLOSSUS]

Tren really? I thought tren was really bad with the shut down but I guess I haven't done my full research on it cause m kinda scared of it haha

I been thinkin about a var or winny cycle...something mild... just lookin for an edge at the gym not lookin to get huge anyways


Also if you've read my other thread and my test levels come back that im shut down then I guess I have no problem with the shut down anyways haha just the estrogen bs im worried about...

Thanks for the input rado

[COLOSSUS]

I used winstrol a few times without stacking with test but they were short cycles around 6 weeks. No estrogen problems and I did keep some of the strength and gains after coming off.

Thanks dago winny is something iv beenlookin at for sure but leaning more towards var cause my joints are already jacked from wrestling/bjj/ biking etc

Always good to get info from experience

How were your joints affected or did you supplement with fish oils etc..

[Bouncer]

Primo and winny cycle

Anavar cycle

HGH

IGF-Lr3

combine all the above etc..

personally i think you are experiencing some sort of hormonal imbalance right now and you are jumping to conclusions.

if you run test again simply run it with nolv the whole time and run the nolv at least 2 months after you are off. dose of nolv at 10-20mg the whole time.

and no, dont listen to rado, tren will shut you down hard especially without test.

[COLOSSUS]

Perfect thanks guys

That's all I need to know

[Bouncer]

Not true:) It'll shut you down, but NOT HARD....Your suggestions are good as well....But it's such a myth it shuts people down "hard"

bro have you ever run tren without test? no, you havent so stop telling him to do it. it will fuck him up. he already has hormonal issues.

[COLOSSUS]

Primo and winny cycle

Anavar cycle

HGH

IGF-Lr3

combine all the above etc..

personally i think you are experiencing some sort of hormonal imbalance right now and you are jumping to conclusions.

if you run test again simply run it with nolv the whole time and run the nolv at least 2 months after you are off. dose of nolv at 10-20mg the whole time.

and no, dont listen to rado, tren will shut you down hard especially without test.

Yo B how do you think that im jumping to conclusions? About that I react badly with high levels of test introduced intto my system?

I just say this cause I always have gyno problems with test even with proper serm/ai protocols.

I agree my hormones are out of whack right now but idk why/what could have caused it.

Im just lookin into alternatives for future reference

[COLOSSUS]

bro have you ever run tren without test? no, you havent so stop telling him to do it. it will fuck him up. he already has hormonal issues.

Hahaha thanks b I was skeptical about the whole tren thing and don't think I would have tried it... I know tren is super harsh but I can't say he didn't have me thinkin about it haha

[Bouncer]

Yo B how do you think that im jumping to conclusions? About that I react badly with high levels of test introduced intto my system?

I just say this cause I always have gyno problems with test even with proper serm/ai protocols.

I agree my hormones are out of whack right now but idk why/what could have caused it.

Im just lookin into alternatives for future reference

have you ever run nolv at 10-20mg per day from day 1 of your cycle until 2 months after your cycle?

try it.

i am very sensative to all steroids. test gives me gyno if i dont use nolv, tren gives me gyno no matter what etc..

i avoid tren all together and run nolv with test.

[COLOSSUS]

In the end I think ill just give the alternatives a try before I get back on test...and if I do strictly just to have it in there ill go with a low dose and start nolv from day one like B said.

As for what rado said im not trying to disregard your advice with tren but I have stayed away from it just cause of what I heard.

Ill just stick to what I know, take some of the advice you guys have given me and apply it to the way i kno my body reacts to things.

Thanks again guys

[Bouncer]

It's not that bad bro...But people will believe what they want.

you ever stop to consider that maybe you are the exception to the rule when it comes to tren?

tren is an absolute disaster for me. mentally i have never felt so out of control on tren. it was truly fucken scary.

[Bouncer]

i am running IGF-lr3 alone right now and love it. check out me or rado's logs on igf and ghrp.

[COLOSSUS]

GHRP and some CJC will also work...I loved that and I'm wanting to go back on....

I was actually lookin at the ghrp from the sponsor site and found two...which one are you recommending?

What gains should I expect?

Also. Been reading your guys experience with both and it seems you both enjoy igf1 lr3 beest when it comes to peptides

[COLOSSUS]

Hahaha shit im doin all this from my phone so im a bit slow on the response :P