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***Bouncer*** · 02-18-12, 12:46 PM

If you are sensitive to progesterone the nolv won't help you from getting gyno. So the Deca is one of those things that may or may not cause you probs.

**ROCKETW19** · 02-18-12, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by dinkysatan View Post

I'm starting my 1st cycle in April - it was to be March but I'm being shipped out to Australia for a month so I'm having to postpone. All going well in those 4 weeks I'll be ready to start the cycle. Here's what I have:

Supplies
2 x Lixus Labs Test Enan 300 10ml Vials
Nolva 20mg 100tabs
7 x Deca Durabolin 200mg per ml 2ml Vials (not ordered yet)

Week 1: Test E 450mg (300x 1.5ml) / Deca 200mg (200x 1ml)
Week 2: Test E 450mg (300x 1.5ml) / Deca 200mg (200x 1ml)
Week 3: Test E 450mg (300x 1.5ml) / Deca 200mg (200x 1ml)
Week 4: Test E 450mg (300x 1.5ml) / Deca 200mg (200x 1ml)
Week 5: Test E 450mg (300x 1.5ml) / Deca 200mg (200x 1ml)
Week 6: Test E 450mg (300x 1.5ml) / Deca 200mg (200x 1ml)
Week 7: Test E 450mg (300x 1.5ml) / Deca 200mg (200x 1ml)
Week 8: Test E 450mg (300x 1.5ml) / Deca 200mg (200x 1ml)
Week 9: Test E 450mg (300x 1.5ml) / Deca 200mg (200x 1ml)
Week 10: Test E 450mg (300x 1.5ml) / Deca 200mg (200x 1ml)
Week 11: Test E 450mg (300x 1.5ml) / Deca 200mg (200x 1ml)
Week 12: Test E 450mg (300x 1.5ml) / Deca 200mg (200x 1ml)
Week 13:
Week 14:
Week 15: Nolvadex @ 40mg/ED
Week 16: Nolvadex @ 40mg/ED
Week 17: Nolvadex @ 20mg/ED
Week 18: Nolvadex @ 20mg/ED

I am shit scared of gyno (I like tits but in the right place) so I've ordered what I think is plenty of Nolva, but I'll only use this for PCT unless required sooner. I did read somewhere to start off on letro - is this a good idea?

I'm thinking I should skip the deca as its my 1st cycle. Any thoughts or comments?

Cheers

first cycle not a good idea to have to compounds in it. you will not know what is causing you gyno if it pops up and you will not know what drug is doing what good or bad. I would save the deca and run just test.

**dinkysatan** · 02-18-12, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by ROCKETW19 View Post

first cycle not a good idea to have to compounds in it. you will not know what is causing you gyno if it pops up and you will not know what drug is doing what good or bad. I would save the deca and run just test.

Thanks.

As the test-e is 300mg/ml do you think 300mg pw for a 1st cycle would see gains or should I go for 450/600mg? Most cycles I've read up about are either 250 or 500mg.
I'll save the deca for later in the year all going well. Along with some clomid :)

**dinkysatan** · 02-18-12, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by THE BOUNCER View Post

If you are sensitive to progesterone the nolv won't help you from getting gyno. So the Deca is one of those things that may or may not cause you probs.

As its my 1st cycle I'll do as Rocket suggests and drop the deca. I have no reason to expect gyno if it does kick in then I won't know what caused it.
I think I"m correct in saying that clomid is an antagonist for progesterone, so I'll get some for my next cycle all going well.

**ROCKETW19** · 02-19-12, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by dinkysatan View Post

Thanks.

As the test-e is 300mg/ml do you think 300mg pw for a 1st cycle would see gains or should I go for 450/600mg? Most cycles I've read up about are either 250 or 500mg.
I'll save the deca for later in the year all going well. Along with some clomid :)

I think 300 could work but if you wanna be sure it works 450 and if it is real you will gain nice

**ROCKETW19** · 02-19-12, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by dinkysatan View Post

As its my 1st cycle I'll do as Rocket suggests and drop the deca. I have no reason to expect gyno if it does kick in then I won't know what caused it.
I think I"m correct in saying that clomid is an antagonist for progesterone, so I'll get some for my next cycle all going well.

clomid will do nothing for progestrone. you will need caber.
you are making the right choice with test only. if your gear is good and your diet is right you can gain 20 lbs.

**CrankinSteiN** · 02-19-12, 11:42 PM

I would drop the deca since it's your first cycle bro but just for future reference you should know that you drop deca 3 weeks before your PCT normally and the test 2 weeks.... You will def be better off going just test for this cycle tho and if you want to kick it off with something then I don't see a reason not to use dbol to start it off for 4 weeks.

I say go with around 400 - 500mg of test per week for first cycle and you will be happy with your results if your training and diet are also in check. Good choice leaving the nolva out until you need it as you don't want to limit your estrogen too much when trying to bulk unless you are getting gyno...

**dinkysatan** · 02-20-12, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by CrankinSteiN View Post

I would drop the deca since it's your first cycle bro but just for future reference you should know that you drop deca 3 weeks before your PCT normally and the test 2 weeks.... You will def be better off going just test for this cycle tho and if you want to kick it off with something then I don't see a reason not to use dbol to start it off for 4 weeks.

I say go with around 400 - 500mg of test per week for first cycle and you will be happy with your results if your training and diet are also in check. Good choice leaving the nolva out until you need it as you don't want to limit your estrogen too much when trying to bulk unless you are getting gyno...

Thanks for pointing out my error with the deca. I must admit I am tempted to try dbol in the 1st 4 weeks to kick start the cycle. Mainly because I'm getting frustrated with constantly postponing starting due to work.

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