Prolactin gyno

[ROCKETW19]

Def remember that talk, thanks for the help. Would you taper adex at .25mgs for a week before coming completely off? I started at .5 went to .75 back to .5 and was thinking the .25 would be a good number to finish with. Gona add the nolva like you said but at 20mg because I cant split the capsule. Hopefully I wont need to add the adex back in for water retention but if I do it shouldnt be a problem going adex/nolva combo should it?

ya taper it down dont just stop the adex! decrease down .25 each week sound good. I have no seicence behind it just I know for a fact if you cut it out completley you can rebound hard and estro will get you so taper down and add nolva

[AllDay]

no gyno will not hit ya that fast it will go right away when dose lowers only a few days if i remember correct.
I took caber 1 time along long long time ago but not worth it IMO. Taking a drug so I can take a drug is just plain stupid to me. UNLESS it is test and estrogen that is the only steroid we really need so I will if I had to for test only.

Remember when I told you I killed my estro with Letro going under the advise that no estrogen means no progestrone I was fucked up from no estrogen bad and I still had signs of progestron gyno didnt even lower it a bit. Never again will I take a drug to take a drug.

Def remember that talk, thanks for the help. Would you taper adex at .25mgs for a week before coming completely off? I started at .5 went to .75 back to .5 and was thinking the .25 would be a good number to finish with. Gona add the nolva like you said but at 20mg because I cant split the capsule. Hopefully I wont need to add the adex back in for water retention but if I do it shouldnt be a problem going adex/nolva combo should it?

[ROCKETW19]

lol, when that does happen do your nipps go back to normal when you lower the dose of tren or do you have to take something for it?

no gyno will not hit ya that fast it will go right away when dose lowers only a few days if i remember correct.
I took caber 1 time along long long time ago but not worth it IMO. Taking a drug so I can take a drug is just plain stupid to me. UNLESS it is test and estrogen that is the only steroid we really need so I will if I had to for test only.

Remember when I told you I killed my estro with Letro going under the advise that no estrogen means no progestrone I was fucked up from no estrogen bad and I still had signs of progestron gyno didnt even lower it a bit. Never again will I take a drug to take a drug.

[AllDay]

simple just lower the dose. If I stay under 300 on tren no problems at all with it.
go over it and my nipps blow off my chest

lol, when that does happen do your nipps go back to normal when you lower the dose of tren or do you have to take something for it?

[ROCKETW19]

you guys want to avoid progesterone and prolactin? simple. stop fucing around with tren and deca. and none of those pro hormone horse shit pills.

simple just lower the dose. If I stay under 300 on tren no problems at all with it.
go over it and my nipps blow off my chest

[jack tors]

you guys want to avoid progesterone and prolactin? simple. stop fucing around with tren and deca. and none of those pro hormone horse shit pills.

its funny you say that because the article was saying drop the compound thats causing it but it a nice was saying aas users are stupid and cant do the obvious so lower estrogen is first line of defense.

[StanG]

you guys want to avoid progesterone and prolactin? simple. stop fucing around with tren and deca. and none of those pro hormone horse shit pills.

Good point. I definitely believe certain steroids and certain people just do not mix well.

[Bouncer]

you guys want to avoid progesterone and prolactin? simple. stop fucing around with tren and deca. and none of those pro hormone horse shit pills.

[AllDay]

ya there will be no need for both. the adex should of been working by now. I belive it takes a few weeks.
if estro was low 1.5 months ago I can not see it jumping for no reason everything stayed the same with test you didnt take any more or less in the 1.5 months?

it might not be estrogen and I have no clue why prolactin would be high?

best GUESS is switch to nolva and see if that works if not get blood work again that is the only real way to know whats going on. Or just say fuck it and get blood right now and dont even expermint if it bugs ya that bad.

True bro, thanks

[ROCKETW19]

Yes .75 3x wk and the adex is liquidex from RUI.

Lol, appreciate the honesty. So taper off the adex and add nolva instead of a nolva/adex combo?

Blood levels were checked approx 1.5 months ago, estrogen levels normal, prolactin levels slightly high.

ya there will be no need for both. the adex should of been working by now. I belive it takes a few weeks.
if estro was low 1.5 months ago I can not see it jumping for no reason everything stayed the same with test you didnt take any more or less in the 1.5 months?

it might not be estrogen and I have no clue why prolactin would be high?

best GUESS is switch to nolva and see if that works if not get blood work again that is the only real way to know whats going on. Or just say fuck it and get blood right now and dont even expermint if it bugs ya that bad.

[jack tors]

Stan
I found an article that supports what your saying. I wont post the whole thing its long.

"So rather than focusing solely on lowering prolactin levels which may be elevated in users of aromatizing androgens, attacking estrogen should be the first line of action."

"In any case, progesterone is thought to act on the breast to enhance the effects of estrogen (22) so once again, attacking estrogen is the easiest and most logical approach."

"I would recommend tamoxifen rather than an aromatase inhibitor due to the simple fact that tamoxifen has been widely used in numerous controlled studies to succesfully treat gynecomastia, whereas the evidence to support the efficacy of aromatase inhibitors is scanty at best."

[AllDay]

.75 three times a week like we talked about?
two things! the adex could be shit? where you get from is it UGL or pharma?
second thing is I have no fuckin clue,lol sorry bro

I would taper off the adex as we talked about cuz if your estrogen is bad it can rebound hard if just stopping but bring in the nolva now and just see if that helps. only thing you can do is expermint. did you have blood test latley? wast estrogen high?

Yes .75 3x wk and the adex is liquidex from RUI.

Lol, appreciate the honesty. So taper off the adex and add nolva instead of a nolva/adex combo?

Blood levels were checked approx 1.5 months ago, estrogen levels normal, prolactin levels slightly high.

[ROCKETW19]

I started the adex at .5mgs for 2 weeks then went to .75mgs for the last week. And yes Im only running 200mgs test. But what Im saying is I know the puffiness isnt from the test. Im not suggesting that at all. I just want to rid myself of the puffiness because it hasnt always been there. Just arose within the last couple years. During that time I ran nothing but was diagnosed with low T levels. Hence the TRT I am currently on.

.75 three times a week like we talked about?
two things! the adex could be shit? where you get from is it UGL or pharma?
second thing is I have no fuckin clue,lol sorry bro

I would taper off the adex as we talked about cuz if your estrogen is bad it can rebound hard if just stopping but bring in the nolva now and just see if that helps. only thing you can do is expermint. did you have blood test latley? wast estrogen high?

[AllDay]

what was the dose of adex you were taking? and only 200mgs test nothing else?

I started the adex at .5mgs for 2 weeks then went to .75mgs for the last week. And yes Im only running 200mgs test. But what Im saying is I know the puffiness isnt from the test. Im not suggesting that at all. I just want to rid myself of the puffiness because it hasnt always been there. Just arose within the last couple years. During that time I ran nothing but was diagnosed with low T levels. Hence the TRT I am currently on.

[StanG]

so if i take letro i will not get gyno from prolactin? dude i ran tren for the first time had sensitive nips. i appeared like two weeks after tren-a. i was on aas for a yr. i immediately took 40mgs of nolva ED and it didnt help. lower tren dose it stopped. ive seen this happen to a lot of ppl. thank god i didnt get gyno.

Sensitive nips isnt gyno. 60% of people that say they have gyno dont. Sensitive nips (in this case) is from increased progesterone just like i said to Bouncer. Its just like women just prior/during ovulation - due to an increase in progesterone their nipples get puffy and very sensitive. Same thing. Thus when you cease the tren ...it goes away.