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"The chinese powder suppliers are a bunch of liars! so are some of the top american sources who claim they pay more for top grade powders but have no proof to back it up!. They cannot trust a third party lab certificate of analysis. It can be old! or phony.
The gear in the early days up to 2,006 was good! sources could test their powders for cheap! and the end user coud test their gear for cheap! that is how you find a good source. many of the Top sources who are no longer in business due to operation raw deal had their gear tested by their clients and it was usualy overdosed or very close to right on. everybody used SRCS. The price was fair and it was a real chemical service that the DEA even used.
So I laugh at these top sources who say their powder is the best because they pay more then others even though they have no proof. I will tell you this all the overseas suppliers know this and send shit these days stepped on raws. No lab tests ever get done anymore very seldom. if anything was in question back in the day 100$ would settle the argument. The rights taken away from the consumer are horrible! we deserve to know what we are shooting.
for christ sakes they had dance safe who were at raves testing kids x tabs to make sure they were taking real MDMA. here is the article. many of you have probably seen it.
DEA raids San Rafael Chemical Services - a supplement and steroid testing lab.
Submitted by George Spellwin on November 12, 2007 - 2:00am.
Tags:Anabolic Steroids
Dear Friend and Fellow Athlete,
On Friday November 9th 2007, I spoke with Ralph Meibos, the president of San Rafael Chemical Services in Salt Lake City Utah. San Rafael has been doing lab analysis for the supplement industry for 17 years. Basically, the supplement industry uses them for quality control to make sure that their products meet label claim. Until last week, they had a DEA license. A company or an individual could send them a sample of a drug to test to make sure it contained what it was supposed to contain.
So, you could send them your multi-vitamin to see if there was as much Vitamin C in the bottle as the lab le claims. You could send them one of your generic heart pills to make sure it was the same as the brand pill. And you could even send them an anabolic steroid sample and they would tell you if it was what you thought it was.
Well, the DEA did not like this and had a problem with San Rafael performing quality control for steroid manufacturers and underground labs. And so they were raided. As a result, they had to surrender their DEA license, so they can no longer work with controlled substances.
The President, Mr. Meibos, is understandably devastated. As he explained to me, the raid was not a financial blow to his business, because the majority of what he tests are dietary supplements, but, the taking of his customer lists, financial records and essentially lots of the documentation he uses to run his business has be a severe emotional blow.
I asked him why he thought he was raided and he offered up several theories:
One is the "low hanging fruit" theory. According to Mr. Meibos, the DEA has been so ineffective at busting narcotics dealers, that they are going after the steroid dealer and he was swept up in that. He even suggested that he believed that the DEA could have thought that he was running a BALCO style lab instead of a chemical testing facility.
He also speculated that the Raid could have been provoked by an unscrupulous underground lab itself. For example, some of the steroids he tested were what they were supposed to be. Others of the steroids he tested were not what they were supposed to be and some samples even contained completely unrelated and dangerous substances. His lab was shining a light on the really bad underground labs passing off one substance as a specific anabolic steroid when it was not. Mr. Meibos speculates that a lab getting a bad quality grade could have vindictively tipped off the DEA.
In my opinion, San Rafael Chemical Services is an innocent victim that got swept up on Operation Raw Deal - the largest steroid enforcement action in U.S. history.
Here is the statement that San Rafael issued.
To whom it may concern,
We apologize for having to inform any who care to know of this particular occurrence however, because we strive to operate with honesty, integrity and without discrimination, we have encountered scenarios in which we have not made friends.
Some one or some organization has informed the DEA that SRCS was performing illegal anabolic steroid analysis. We have always maintained and kept current our DEA license for controlled substances and were under the apparent misapprehension that the analyses we have been performing were totally legitimate, well within the scope of the law and a service to the supplement industry.
Whether or not the warrant that was served on SRCS was granted under false pretenses, we were raided on October 25th, 2007 by agents from several agencies including DEA, State Commerce Commission, and local law enforcement who over the course of the day cloned our computer hard drives, confiscated most all of our retained samples as well as our analytical and financial records for the previous five or more years. Any and all documentation and records we had pertaining to samples received, email and personal financial information, client lists and standards lists were confiscated and will be reviewed extensively by whomever the DEA deems worthy.
We voluntarily surrendered our controlled substances license and will no longer be capable of providing analysis for the aforementioned substances. Because of the total confiscation of all our documentation, the production of timely requests of analyses in progress will be affected negatively. We will do all we can to get back up to speed and minimize to the best of our ability any interruptions in service for "non-regulated" substances as soon as we can. We apologize deeply for any inconvenience and negative impact this will have.
Sincerely,
San Rafael Chemical Services, Inc.
Discuss San Rafael Chemical Services - SRCS raided by DEA on the EliteFitness.com Forums.
Yours in sport,
George Spellwin"
"you can barely find strong dbol anymore and potent oral winstrol is very hard to find. The dbol and anadrol in the 70's was insane. ciba made it and it blew alot of people up! It wouldn't promote the sever water retention and aot of bodybuilders didn't get the puffy nipple side effects. doing PCT back then was not as popular at all.
They also had very strong halotesten in the 80's. all the gear was better back then. I guess I am just going on what I have heard from pros and amateurs from that era as I did not use gear till 2004. Just look what the oral turinabol did to the women german olympic swimmers! they were all juiced up with muscle. That was a -sponsored doping regimen supported by the government. they were ony 5mg tablets.
definately stronger then the TBol made by the UGL's today. The oils were aso way stronger. I can think of a few UGL's who had good gear that tested out very pure but one got busted and now works for a supplement company and so does the other guy. There is one other guy who created very potent designers but he does the same thing started a supplement company. Most of the guys who make the best gear own or work for supplement companys. But in the early 2,000's testing was easy to do wich brought us better gear because sources coud test their raws and clients could test their gear. Nobody got jacked back then.
Now of days these top sources think because they pay more they get great raws! well that is all speculation they have no tests to back up what they say! their supplier might of showed them a lab test done in china but how can you believe those tests? they could be phony or just made up. It sucks nobody can really lab test any of these top sources gear! I think alot of you guys would be surprised.
Another thing is all the dealers overseas know we have no options anymore like we used to,and the overseas dealers take advantage of that. You have to be someone big in the industry like wiliam llwellyn or Ronny T to find a place that tests gear and HGH. I have no idea who they use! I know they got the kigs tested but not sure who did the testing.
The kig Test turned out to be true the chinese were scamming the usa.in a 100IU kit maybe one 10IU vial would be real HGH. They tested alpha-pharma gear and it was on the money and free of contaminents. best gear they had seen in awhile. def human grade in their eyes. alpha-pharma also provided them alot of documnetation proving they were a legit company and not a ugl. None of this matters though we shoud be abe to do lab tests like back in the day! their are contaminents found in gear! just for our safety they should allow a testing service. without one it just opens the market for scammers. selling contaminated gear. "
"The chinese powder suppliers are a bunch of liars! so are some of the top american sources who claim they pay more for top grade powders but have no proof to back it up!. They cannot trust a third party lab certificate of analysis. It can be old! or phony.
The gear in the early days up to 2,006 was good! sources could test their powders for cheap! and the end user coud test their gear for cheap! that is how you find a good source. many of the Top sources who are no longer in business due to operation raw deal had their gear tested by their clients and it was usualy overdosed or very close to right on. everybody used SRCS. The price was fair and it was a real chemical service that the DEA even used.
So I laugh at these top sources who say their powder is the best because they pay more then others even though they have no proof. I will tell you this all the overseas suppliers know this and send shit these days stepped on raws. No lab tests ever get done anymore very seldom. if anything was in question back in the day 100$ would settle the argument. The rights taken away from the consumer are horrible! we deserve to know what we are shooting.
for christ sakes they had dance safe who were at raves testing kids x tabs to make sure they were taking real MDMA. here is the article. many of you have probably seen it.
DEA raids San Rafael Chemical Services - a supplement and steroid testing lab.
Submitted by George Spellwin on November 12, 2007 - 2:00am.
Tags:Anabolic Steroids
Dear Friend and Fellow Athlete,
On Friday November 9th 2007, I spoke with Ralph Meibos, the president of San Rafael Chemical Services in Salt Lake City Utah. San Rafael has been doing lab analysis for the supplement industry for 17 years. Basically, the supplement industry uses them for quality control to make sure that their products meet label claim. Until last week, they had a DEA license. A company or an individual could send them a sample of a drug to test to make sure it contained what it was supposed to contain.
So, you could send them your multi-vitamin to see if there was as much Vitamin C in the bottle as the lab le claims. You could send them one of your generic heart pills to make sure it was the same as the brand pill. And you could even send them an anabolic steroid sample and they would tell you if it was what you thought it was.
Well, the DEA did not like this and had a problem with San Rafael performing quality control for steroid manufacturers and underground labs. And so they were raided. As a result, they had to surrender their DEA license, so they can no longer work with controlled substances.
The President, Mr. Meibos, is understandably devastated. As he explained to me, the raid was not a financial blow to his business, because the majority of what he tests are dietary supplements, but, the taking of his customer lists, financial records and essentially lots of the documentation he uses to run his business has be a severe emotional blow.
I asked him why he thought he was raided and he offered up several theories:
One is the "low hanging fruit" theory. According to Mr. Meibos, the DEA has been so ineffective at busting narcotics dealers, that they are going after the steroid dealer and he was swept up in that. He even suggested that he believed that the DEA could have thought that he was running a BALCO style lab instead of a chemical testing facility.
He also speculated that the Raid could have been provoked by an unscrupulous underground lab itself. For example, some of the steroids he tested were what they were supposed to be. Others of the steroids he tested were not what they were supposed to be and some samples even contained completely unrelated and dangerous substances. His lab was shining a light on the really bad underground labs passing off one substance as a specific anabolic steroid when it was not. Mr. Meibos speculates that a lab getting a bad quality grade could have vindictively tipped off the DEA.
In my opinion, San Rafael Chemical Services is an innocent victim that got swept up on Operation Raw Deal - the largest steroid enforcement action in U.S. history.
Here is the statement that San Rafael issued.
To whom it may concern,
We apologize for having to inform any who care to know of this particular occurrence however, because we strive to operate with honesty, integrity and without discrimination, we have encountered scenarios in which we have not made friends.
Some one or some organization has informed the DEA that SRCS was performing illegal anabolic steroid analysis. We have always maintained and kept current our DEA license for controlled substances and were under the apparent misapprehension that the analyses we have been performing were totally legitimate, well within the scope of the law and a service to the supplement industry.
Whether or not the warrant that was served on SRCS was granted under false pretenses, we were raided on October 25th, 2007 by agents from several agencies including DEA, State Commerce Commission, and local law enforcement who over the course of the day cloned our computer hard drives, confiscated most all of our retained samples as well as our analytical and financial records for the previous five or more years. Any and all documentation and records we had pertaining to samples received, email and personal financial information, client lists and standards lists were confiscated and will be reviewed extensively by whomever the DEA deems worthy.
We voluntarily surrendered our controlled substances license and will no longer be capable of providing analysis for the aforementioned substances. Because of the total confiscation of all our documentation, the production of timely requests of analyses in progress will be affected negatively. We will do all we can to get back up to speed and minimize to the best of our ability any interruptions in service for "non-regulated" substances as soon as we can. We apologize deeply for any inconvenience and negative impact this will have.
Sincerely,
San Rafael Chemical Services, Inc.
Discuss San Rafael Chemical Services - SRCS raided by DEA on the EliteFitness.com Forums.
Yours in sport,
George Spellwin"
"you can barely find strong dbol anymore and potent oral winstrol is very hard to find. The dbol and anadrol in the 70's was insane. ciba made it and it blew alot of people up! It wouldn't promote the sever water retention and aot of bodybuilders didn't get the puffy nipple side effects. doing PCT back then was not as popular at all.
They also had very strong halotesten in the 80's. all the gear was better back then. I guess I am just going on what I have heard from pros and amateurs from that era as I did not use gear till 2004. Just look what the oral turinabol did to the women german olympic swimmers! they were all juiced up with muscle. That was a -sponsored doping regimen supported by the government. they were ony 5mg tablets.
definately stronger then the TBol made by the UGL's today. The oils were aso way stronger. I can think of a few UGL's who had good gear that tested out very pure but one got busted and now works for a supplement company and so does the other guy. There is one other guy who created very potent designers but he does the same thing started a supplement company. Most of the guys who make the best gear own or work for supplement companys. But in the early 2,000's testing was easy to do wich brought us better gear because sources coud test their raws and clients could test their gear. Nobody got jacked back then.
Now of days these top sources think because they pay more they get great raws! well that is all speculation they have no tests to back up what they say! their supplier might of showed them a lab test done in china but how can you believe those tests? they could be phony or just made up. It sucks nobody can really lab test any of these top sources gear! I think alot of you guys would be surprised.
Another thing is all the dealers overseas know we have no options anymore like we used to,and the overseas dealers take advantage of that. You have to be someone big in the industry like wiliam llwellyn or Ronny T to find a place that tests gear and HGH. I have no idea who they use! I know they got the kigs tested but not sure who did the testing.
The kig Test turned out to be true the chinese were scamming the usa.in a 100IU kit maybe one 10IU vial would be real HGH. They tested alpha-pharma gear and it was on the money and free of contaminents. best gear they had seen in awhile. def human grade in their eyes. alpha-pharma also provided them alot of documnetation proving they were a legit company and not a ugl. None of this matters though we shoud be abe to do lab tests like back in the day! their are contaminents found in gear! just for our safety they should allow a testing service. without one it just opens the market for scammers. selling contaminated gear. "
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