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  • My Tren Ace, T3, Prami and Letro log starting now

    Well as usual, I'm not waiting until March 1st to begin; I have started today.

    A few changes to my six month cycle; no HCG this time.

    For years I've said I get no sides from Tren Ace as in progesterone or Prolactin.

    One thing I'm 100% sure of is that I do get elevated estro levels while on anything, even tren by itself.

    Tren by itself in essence should not give me elevated estro but rather what's mentioned above, but I've also taken HCG while on tren alone.

    So to debunk the mystery(on top of my blood work as well), I'm doing this more of a research product than anything else. Hence me buying two bottles of letro, T3 and Prami. Still waiting on the rest from RUI. Just got my Prami yesterday; man that fucker is fast in shipping. :thumup:

    My tren will be 525 a week(175mgs a cc) with shots on M/W/F. I will be using a 25g 1.5" pin and using all areas as always; delts, traps, tri's, bi's, lats, quads, glutes, calfs.

    I've started the Prami today and will do so for 12 weeks at 0.5ml which is 30mcgs. I've been reading tons of info on it and so many contradictory bro science it's almost stupid to read it. So to really get to the bottom of it, blood work will be done as usual at mid point.

    I will take the Prami at night for ONE reason. I took it today around 2pm and within 30mns I was literally about to fall a sleep and tried to fight it hard. I was lethargic, my training today was garbage, I was just a mess. This will make me sleep good for sure.

    I've read where this a side effect and have also read that it's quite the opposite. But holy shit; man I was yawning, fighting to stay awake; it just sucked!:tired:

    I would like from some of you who have used T3 your experience and doses if possible. That's what I'm still trying to figure out and I'm still reading tons of info on these three liquids. I will post once a week or more in regards to my progress.

    I lost tons of water weight today and after practice the scales was at 211lbs and I'm usually walking around 215lbs even after practice. Wonder if the Prami had anything to do with it?

    Can prami and Letro be taken simultaneously? Since one combats prolacting/progesterone and the other kills the estro?

    At any rate the whole think with tren/deca and prolactin is... a BIG misunderstanding...

    There is some pretty basic misunderstanding out there, with people repeating "bro science" and saying they have "prolactin" gyno from deca or tren, which is physically impossible:

    Prolactin "...stimulates the mammary glands to produce milk (lactation): Increased serum concentrations of prolactin during pregnancy cause enlargement of the mammary glands of the breasts and prepare for the production of milk. However, the high levels of progesterone during pregnancy suppress the production of milk. Milk production normally starts when the levels of progesterone fall by the end of pregnancy and a suckling stimulus is present

    thats from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolactin

    You should note that, HIGH progesterone INHIBITS prolactin!!


    /\ Interesting read I found

    Would really like some input if possible, thanks!
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    Last edited by rado; 02-18-13, 10:43 PM.

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    I'm interested to see your response to prami. I dont think you were around much when I posted my feedback. In short, it made me feel worse than anything I have ever put in my body; even at. 25ml. Not at first but after while it made my skin crawl and made me crazy tired with insomnia at the same time. I will was paranoid with tren and took it from the start but never actually needed it. Good luck. Shit is strong.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by blm View Post
      I'm interested to see your response to prami. I dont think you were around much when I posted my feedback. In short, it made me feel worse than anything I have ever put in my body; even at. 25ml. Not at first but after while it made my skin crawl and made me crazy tired with insomnia at the same time. I will was paranoid with tren and took it from the start but never actually needed it. Good luck. Shit is strong.
      Glad you posted bro and yes I remember you were a wreck. But for some reason it calms me down, actually to the point I wanna go to sleep where ever I'm at lol. I feel great right now, relaxed and not wired at all. Temp is fine, skin feels ok.

      Some people have experience what you have and some what I'm experiencing right now. Kind of like the Ethyl Oils some use. Some people can't use them because of bad reactions and some can. I don't get any bad reactions from EO nor the Prami; well at least not yet.

      No kidding bro. I took it, left the house and 30mns tops, I was like falling a sleep and dosing off really bad. I had to pull over and stretch. It took about about 3hrs for me to feel a bit better. I do think that the tiredness will not go away and it's a side effect from it. As to why I will ONLY take it at night before bed. WILL NEVER do that shit during the day.

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      • #4
        I know the Prami and Letro I will get down. My concern is the T3 and doses. I'm continuing to read on the T3 and how it eats your muscles away if not on a cycle, and I knew this. I also have read how it fucks up your thyroid but that little fucker regenerates quickly.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ronin View Post
          I know the Prami and Letro I will get down. My concern is the T3 and doses. I'm continuing to read on the T3 and how it eats your muscles away if not on a cycle, and I knew this. I also have read how it fucks up your thyroid but that little fucker regenerates quickly.
          Some other protocols I found; this one seems a bit high though;


          T3 Dosage for males using an 8 week diamond taper up/down:

          25mcgs in the am per day for 7 days (week 1)
          50mcgs (25mcgs when u wake up, 25mcgs 4hrs later) per day for 7 days (week 2)
          75mcgs (50mcgs when u wake up, 25mcgs 4hrs later) per day for 7 days (week 3)
          100mcgs (50mcgs when u wake up, 50mcgs 4hrs later) per day for 14days (weeks 4/5)
          75mcgs (repeat week 3)
          50mcgs (repeat week 2)
          25mcgs (repeat week 1)

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          on other option is to do the above, except extend it to 9-10 weeks as follows
          weeks 1 - 8 same as above
          weeks 9/10 12.5mcgs then stop

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          • #6
            Man, I wish you good luck. Be in the look out for adding test if anything. I'm interested in how your PCT will go - hopefully you will be fine.

            Never took prami so I can't say much about that. Other than what is known.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by TC63 View Post
              Man, I wish you good luck. Be in the look out for adding test if anything. I'm interested in how your PCT will go - hopefully you will be fine.

              Never took prami so I can't say much about that. Other than what is known.
              I have over 220'ccs of test prop that I just made if needed. I'm NOT saying tren will not shut me down, it will. If I can keep my tests around the 200's which I have in the past, I'm ok. If not, then that's why I'll be getting blood work done and just add like 300mgs of prop a week.

              It seems no one has messed with T3 based on no responses lol. My PCT this time will be HCG. Before I would just run HCG through my cycle and afterwards; always recovered well.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ronin View Post
                I have over 220'ccs of test prop that I just made if needed. I'm NOT saying tren will not shut me down, it will. If I can keep my tests around the 200's which I have in the past, I'm ok. If not, then that's why I'll be getting blood work done and just add like 300mgs of prop a week.

                It seems no one has messed with T3 based on no responses lol. My PCT this time will be HCG. Before I would just run HCG through my cycle and afterwards; always recovered well.
                I never messed with T3, lol a bit scared of the whole "it will mess up your thyroid" thing. I have heard it's great, especially if you are taking HGH. Why not run HCG throughout the whole cycle instead of just after?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TC63 View Post
                  I never messed with T3, lol a bit scared of the whole "it will mess up your thyroid" thing. I have heard it's great, especially if you are taking HGH. Why not run HCG throughout the whole cycle instead of just after?
                  Because I've done it every cycle thus far...Our thyroid is a miracle little fucker that fixes itself pretty quickly believe it or not. T3 is great when NOT abused and taking the proper time on/off and getting blood work and not overloading the body with other shit.

                  I've always ran HCG since I started cycling except maybe the 1st 2yrs; I would use Tribulis and swore by it....it did work.

                  T3 works wonders even while not taking HGH. This cycle is an experiment for me to see if it's estro or progesterone/prolactin issues...I do believe it's estro but all these years I could of been wrong...that's why I'm taking Tren Ace by itself with no hcg or test and use Letro to combat the estro or prami to combat the progesterone or prolactin....

                  Not scared at all...Read up on our thyroid...fucker is like mighty mouse...and if I didn't have the Dr I have now who's watching me, I would not be doing this. I do wanna have one more child; a girl:)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ronin View Post
                    Because I've done it every cycle thus far...Our thyroid is a miracle little fucker that fixes itself pretty quickly believe it or not. T3 is great when NOT abused and taking the proper time on/off and getting blood work and not overloading the body with other shit.

                    I've always ran HCG since I started cycling except maybe the 1st 2yrs; I would use Tribulis and swore by it....it did work.

                    T3 works wonders even while not taking HGH. This cycle is an experiment for me to see if it's estro or progesterone/prolactin issues...I do believe it's estro but all these years I could of been wrong...that's why I'm taking Tren Ace by itself with no hcg or test and use Letro to combat the estro or prami to combat the progesterone or prolactin....

                    Not scared at all...Read up on our thyroid...fucker is like mighty mouse...and if I didn't have the Dr I have now who's watching me, I would not be doing this. I do wanna have one more child; a girl:)
                    I'm gonna read up on it. Seems very promising. I'm very tempted to try it lol.
                    I used Tribulus in the past, it's not bad at all (HCG is much better tho).
                    For sure, having a Dr. is a game changer - feels much safer, right?
                    Keep updating this, and best of luck to your cycle Ronin!:thumup:

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                    • #11
                      My personal opinion is that you are thinking way to much and making this more complicated then it is.

                      I am a little confused. The reason people use prami is to avoid progesterone/prolactin type gyno. You have already stated a million times over the years that you dont get that side from tren. Can you give a clear answer as to why you are using prami or is it just.. because?

                      I can understand you wanting to control estro levels. I still think letro is to strong to be used for this purpose but if you are going to use it, i would run .25mgs ED. keep it very low dose or else you will feel dead after a couple weeks.

                      As for the T3, i have already posted my experience with it many times. the only thing i got from it was an increased heart rate and it also made me shit more. lol. like i said before, t3 may work better for people with higher bf%. my highest dose was 50mcg and at that dose my heart was pounding out of my chest. resting heart rate was like 100 something. do yourself a favor and start low dose and work your way up.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by THE BOUNCER View Post
                        My personal opinion is that you are thinking way to much and making this more complicated then it is.

                        I am a little confused. The reason people use prami is to avoid progesterone/prolactin type gyno. You have already stated a million times over the years that you dont get that side from tren. Can you give a clear answer as to why you are using prami or is it just.. because?

                        I can understand you wanting to control estro levels. I still think letro is to strong to be used for this purpose but if you are going to use it, i would run .25mgs ED. keep it very low dose or else you will feel dead after a couple weeks.

                        As for the T3, i have already posted my experience with it many times. the only thing i got from it was an increased heart rate and it also made me shit more. lol. like i said before, t3 may work better for people with higher bf%. my highest dose was 50mcg and at that dose my heart was pounding out of my chest. resting heart rate was like 100 something. do yourself a favor and start low dose and work your way up.
                        I'm doing the Prami just because, correct and it doesn't hurt to try it either. This is why I'm doing the Prami first to eliminate any speculations of prolactin/progesterone. I'm almost certain of it but just wanna make sure, that's all.

                        After 90 days I will switch over to Letro unless for some magical reason the Prami has been working. I know this all sounds weird, but I'm doing this by process of elimination. I will dose the Letro at .25mgs EOD, NOT ED. I did ED and it was too much and Dex if I remember correctly didn't do shit for me.

                        Now what I'm STILL TRYING to figure out is the T3 dose, length and taper. So far I have a few different set ups but not sure which one I'll go with. I will NOT dose over 50mcgs of T3 that's for sure because I don't need it. I only want to drop about 3%-5%BF which is not much at all while gaining lean mass on my cycle.

                        I also got the Cialis since no test will be in this cycle. Last time I ran tren alone, I was still ok in that department but just wanna keep safe. I will start my T3 tomorrow with dosing 25mcgs in the morning and the other 25mcgs around 4pm.

                        This should be an interesting combo for me and experiment. I can't wait for blood work mid way to see how I'm doing.
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                        • #13
                          Either you guys are assholes or have never tried T3 and the liquids I'm mentioning right now:D For fucks sake I thought most of you tried the shit I just bought...Bunch of posers:P

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                          • #14
                            Looking forward to taking the Prami before bed and see how I sleep since yesterday made me feel like a zombie after taking it. Then I'll start the T3. As of now I will keep my days of shooting on Tues/Thurs/Sat since I started yesterday. I wanted to keep it simple and do M/W/F, but oh well.

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                            • #15
                              Well took T3 just about 30mns ago, the dose was 40mcgs. Really hard to dose exactly 25mcgs since each line is 20mcgs so I was like fuck it. I'll keep it at that for ED purposes, no split doses. We'll see what this dose does for me and maybe play around with it; meaning taking 20mcgs in the AM and 20mcgs in the afternoon.


                              Now let me tell you about Prami:D

                              Took it last night at my same dose of 0.5mgs and holy fuck:woot: WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! I still can't believe the amazing sleep I got last night. I've taken other meds for sleeping issues, but wow! I slept only 7hrs but not once did I get up, I was out!

                              I've read online several people saying other stuff but that. This is truly an amazing thing for sleep.

                              Other than that, I will report back again:)

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