PCT

[jack tors]

After all these years I haven't figured it out yet. I think im one of those guys who needs a complex PCT. maybe due to my age and cycle history. I have tried it all such as nolva only, clomid only both together. I never used HCG though.

Im coming off of 8 month run.

PCT
Phase 1
2 weeks after last pin HCG blast 1000uis ED for 2 weeks.
40 nolva and 50 clomid ed.
Adex .25 eod

Phase 2
After the two week blast...
Clomid 100\50\50\50
Torem 120\90\60\60
Adex .25 eod

Supplements
HCGenerate
creatine
SARMS MK-2866 3-5mg ed
Cialis

**plan to up calories by 500.

[jack tors]

UPDATE
This is overdue but Ive been busy. I completed the HCG Blast phase 1 and im 1 week in on phase 2. I feel good so far. Sex drive isn't near where I want it to be. Im getting morning wood and at times through out the day. My biggest fear is sex drive tanking

I don't feel completely wiped like I normally do during PCT. I lost size to be expected and hardness which is always tough but leaning out isn't always a bad thing.

I plan on adding GHRP2/CJC this week.

[Mr I]

Sounds good so far

[jack tors]

update

Last week was rough almost no sex drive (previous weeks it was there just not great) and few days I def. felt like I was losing muscle. I was very bloated a couple of days too. Took a little adex and drank lots of water. I just added the Torem because it was delayed by a week. I dosed it at 60mg and Clomid at 100mgs I added GHRP2 AM and PM. I feel pretty dam good today sex drive in particular.

End of last week I dropped HCGenerate seems like more harm then good (natty test booster got raving reviews you know how that goes). I also dropped the SARMS for a few days to seem if was impacted recovery.

Today
I upped the SARMS to 25mg only on lifting days.

OVerall this PCT has been the best.

[jack tors]

Update
During PCT my body crashes all I want to do is sleep all day the first and second week. That didn't happen this time. Strength was good too. the transition was smoother. I credit it too HCG. I will never run a cycle without HCG. Sex drive took a while but its pretty good right now. went from shooting blanks (even off cycle) to porn star. Plan to get bloods in a month to see where i'm at. Also donating some blood next blood drive.

I lost the usual amount of size (lot of water) but I have retained a lot more muscle then usual.

Also running some clomid post PCT for a while 50mg EOD for a month or so. doing a daily low dose of Cialis

[jack tors]

Update...Still running clomid everyday at 50mgs. I plan on tapering off and get blood work soon (1 month from now). Honestly sperm count is better than its ever been. If your looking to have kids I'd run clomid maybe with HCG. I'm taking adex .25 once or twice a week.

Only updating to help others out...

[jack tors]

Update...

I stayed on Clomid 12.5 ED or 25 EoD since the PCT ended. The reason for that dose is that any higher can hinder libido (read on fertility forums). I took two weeks off clomid and hormone levels def dropped sperm count was not nearly as good. The sperm count is like a porn star with clomid. Its amazing what it can do. Going to get hormone levels checked.

[Bouncer]

Going to get hormone levels checked.

this is the best thing. something is definitely off bro, best to know what exactly the issue is so that you can attack it better.

[Mr I]

Update...

I stayed on Clomid 12.5 ED or 25 EoD since the PCT ended. The reason for that dose is that any higher can hinder libido (read on fertility forums). I took two weeks off clomid and hormone levels def dropped sperm count was not nearly as good. The sperm count is like a porn star with clomid. Its amazing what it can do. Going to get hormone levels checked.

Not correct.

To say you came off clomid two weeks and sperm count dropped is factually incorrect.

Sperm production is a three month manufacture period. So what you do today, will effect sperm as it comes out the cock in three months

[blm]

Not correct.

To say you came off clomid two weeks and sperm count dropped is factually incorrect.

Sperm production is a three month manufacture period. So what you do today, will effect sperm as it comes out the cock in three months

That's nonsense bro I can notice a difference in sperm volume within a week after starting HCG.

[Mr I]

That's nonsense bro I can notice a difference in sperm volume within a week after starting HCG.

I'm telling you sperm production is a 90 day process or there abouts.

I'm not saying that semen volume can't be increased by meds earlier than that, but the key difference is that I'm referring to the sperm contained therein.


Look, from another angle if you take a natty guy and shoot him up with a gram of propionate a week, his sperm count initially actually increases, this is because it triggers the body to throw out the stored sperm quicker. BUT, at the same time, the exogeneous test is shutting down the pituitary and hypothalamus, which means, amongst other things that, new sperm production is slowed and interupted, but it will probably take three months until the symptoms will show up in a sperm count test.

[blm]

Yes I see what you're saying we were talking about two different things.

On a side note, you are getting very good at Google, lol.

[Bouncer]

Yes I see what you're saying we were talking about two different things.

On a side note, you are getting very good at Google, lol.

volume of liquid "out the cock" as mr i puts it lolol vs actual sperm are 2 different things. so yes, both of you are correct.

[blm]

volume of liquid "out the cock" as mr i puts it lolol vs actual sperm are 2 different things. so yes, both of you are correct.

Yes we will established that. Thank you for reiterating the fact, lol.

[jack tors]

Not correct.

To say you came off clomid two weeks and sperm count dropped is factually incorrect.

Sperm production is a three month manufacture period. So what you do today, will effect sperm as it comes out the cock in three months

oh yeah it did. i dont really want to live off clomid. during PCT im shooting blanks towards the end im a porn star.