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  • #16
    Originally posted by THE BOUNCER View Post
    This is the bottom line, you will always feel like garbage when you are off. This is why steroids can be dangerous and just like any other drug. You feel amazing when on and lower then shit when off. Up to you to decide brother. I would rather feel great my whole life and drop dead at 60 rather then feel like a normal average joe and live to be 100.
    I know you're using this statement as an example, but what proof exisst that testosterone will shorten your life?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by AllDay View Post
      I know you're using this statement as an example, but what proof exisst that testosterone will shorten your life?
      exactly. i was making the point that even if it does, i would still take that risk.

      i am sure there are studies showing indirect cause of death of some sort though.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by AllDay View Post
        I know you're using this statement as an example, but what proof exisst that testosterone will shorten your life?
        steroid abuse sure will

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        • #19
          So if I try a restart first I've read not to use hcg when off cycle because it will suppress lh more because it mimics lh production so when off cycle its best to run nolv/clomid. Is this right?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by jack tors View Post
            steroid abuse sure will
            Would 600mg be considered a cycle?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by mcdyl View Post
              Would 600mg be considered a cycle?
              600mg to me is considered a high dose cycle. Hopefully you're not looking to run 600mg all year long.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Chadd77 View Post
                600mg to me is considered a high dose cycle. Hopefully you're not looking to run 600mg all year long.
                No no not getting on trt unless my doc prescribes it.

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                • #23
                  But I would like to feel that good all year around who wouldnt

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