Another new guy looking for 1st cycle advice

[MattG]

Hey everybody. Just looking for some input here... First off my stats: 33 yrs old, 5'9'' 160lbs(170lbs while on PH's a few months back) hardgainer/ectomorph, lifting for over 10 years-started out weighing 125(yes, very scrawny indeed-piss poor genetics). Have managed to put a good physique on my narrow frame over the years but just can't get big without "something extra". Have done 4 PH cycles in the past year or so-and they worked pretty good-but last one (SD clone) gave me gyno lumps :noo: Just about got those taken care of with Letrozole thank god, and going to start my 1st real Test cycle after they're completely gone. I've been researching my ass off for months now, trying to educate myself as much as possible. But, I get mixed thoughts from one place to the next. SM is an awesome site, you guys got your shit together so I joined up. Anyhow, I had a buddy order me 10 weeks of TestE 500mg per week, Arimidex for an anti-e, and Nolvadex. Well, just picked my shit up and what I ordered isn't what I got, so I'm just gonna hafta do what I can with it. Here's what I got: 20ml vial of Sustanon 300mg per ml(so 10 weeks of 600mg Sust) Nolva, and Clomid. I REALLY wanted Test E, but exchanges aren't possible and I don't have another source. So, Sustanon it is. I do know where to get ancillaries, so if needed I can obtain those anytime online. So here's where I need help...since I am gyno prone, what do you guys suggest I run with the Test? Should I run Nolva every day, or A-dex at .5mg ED, or after I taper the Letro down run that at .5mg ED? I've heard of some people running both Nolva and A-dex together, but won't that kill the gains? Also, I was thinking about scaling my shots down to like .8ml twice a week, that way it's closer to 500mg per week. I wanna take full advantage of this, but also want to be cautious. I've read so many mixed thoughts on first time dosage that I really don't know what to think for myself. Sorry for the long post, just trying to give all the info at once. Thanks guys!

[ROCKETW19]

Sorry bro super busy to read this giant post. but dont trip I come back tonight when kids are asleep and read it and help ya out. mean time someone else will pop in and help also.

[ROCKETW19]

Hey everybody. Just looking for some input here... First off my stats: 33 yrs old, 5'9'' 160lbs(170lbs while on PH's a few months back) hardgainer/ectomorph, lifting for over 10 years-started out weighing 125(yes, very scrawny indeed-piss poor genetics). Have managed to put a good physique on my narrow frame over the years but just can't get big without "something extra". Have done 4 PH cycles in the past year or so-and they worked pretty good-but last one (SD clone) gave me gyno lumps :noo: Just about got those taken care of with Letrozole thank god, and going to start my 1st real Test cycle after they're completely gone. I've been researching my ass off for months now, trying to educate myself as much as possible. But, I get mixed thoughts from one place to the next. SM is an awesome site, you guys got your shit together so I joined up. Anyhow, I had a buddy order me 10 weeks of TestE 500mg per week, Arimidex for an anti-e, and Nolvadex. Well, just picked my shit up and what I ordered isn't what I got, so I'm just gonna hafta do what I can with it. Here's what I got: 20ml vial of Sustanon 300mg per ml(so 10 weeks of 600mg Sust) Nolva, and Clomid. I REALLY wanted Test E, but exchanges aren't possible and I don't have another source. So, Sustanon it is. I do know where to get ancillaries, so if needed I can obtain those anytime online. So here's where I need help...since I am gyno prone, what do you guys suggest I run with the Test? Should I run Nolva every day, or A-dex at .5mg ED, or after I taper the Letro down run that at .5mg ED? I've heard of some people running both Nolva and A-dex together, but won't that kill the gains? Also, I was thinking about scaling my shots down to like .8ml twice a week, that way it's closer to 500mg per week. I wanna take full advantage of this, but also want to be cautious. I've read so many mixed thoughts on first time dosage that I really don't know what to think for myself. Sorry for the long post, just trying to give all the info at once. Thanks guys!

your on the right path
first PH cycles are shit never never never do them again your liver is taking a beating for no real gains IMO.
also just cuz the PH gave you gyno dont mean the test will. but prob not a bad idea to use Adex anyways DO NOT USE LETRO

good call on the .8mls 2 times per week that will keep your blood close and the dose will be cool also
take your shot of test at night then the next morning when estro is higest take.5mgs adex then next shot same thing you will not need any more than that and do not combine with nolva no need
save the clomid and nolva for PCT.

[MattG]

Right on, thanks for the quick reply brother. Hope you're right on the test=no gyno. What a miserable fucked up thing it is to have your nips swell up. For sure, PH cycles are shit, and I won't be doin that trash again. Learned my lesson the hard way. Even gave almost $100 of them away that I had for future use. So, twice a week is cool for the Sust then? Would splitting it up 3 times a week be way better or about the same? I'd much rather go Mon/Thurs than Mon/Wed/Fri. But if it's gonna make a substantial difference I'll pin 3X. Hiding this from the wife so the fewer the better, know what I mean?:grin:

[Bouncer]

Right on, thanks for the quick reply brother. Hope you're right on the test=no gyno. What a miserable fucked up thing it is to have your nips swell up. For sure, PH cycles are shit, and I won't be doin that trash again. Learned my lesson the hard way. Even gave almost $100 of them away that I had for future use. So, twice a week is cool for the Sust then? Would splitting it up 3 times a week be way better or about the same? I'd much rather go Mon/Thurs than Mon/Wed/Fri. But if it's gonna make a substantial difference I'll pin 3X. Hiding this from the wife so the fewer the better, know what I mean?:grin:

twice a week is fine. if gyno is an issue run it with nolvadex, if you already have gyno, get on letro to get rid of it.

[ROCKETW19]

Right on, thanks for the quick reply brother. Hope you're right on the test=no gyno. What a miserable fucked up thing it is to have your nips swell up. For sure, PH cycles are shit, and I won't be doin that trash again. Learned my lesson the hard way. Even gave almost $100 of them away that I had for future use. So, twice a week is cool for the Sust then? Would splitting it up 3 times a week be way better or about the same? I'd much rather go Mon/Thurs than Mon/Wed/Fri. But if it's gonna make a substantial difference I'll pin 3X. Hiding this from the wife so the fewer the better, know what I mean?:grin:

Tuff question as you won't notice size or strength difference but your estrogen levels will be better off taking 3 times per week

[MattG]

Think I'll do 2ce a week to start. If that dont seem to keep levels stable then I'll go 3. Bouncer, I'm the guy from the gyno thread-last posts...benn on letro almost 6 weeks as per your specifications:thumb:

[MattG]

Thanks to both of you for your help, much appreciated! But see, here I have 2 knowledgeable members saying 2 different things.lol Rocket says Adex, Bouncer says Nolva...bad idea to run Adex E3D with 10mg Nolva daily?

[Bouncer]

Thanks to both of you for your help, much appreciated! But see, here I have 2 knowledgeable members saying 2 different things.lol Rocket says Adex, Bouncer says Nolva...bad idea to run Adex E3D with 10mg Nolva daily?

I forgot you were the guy from the gyno thread. Actually I would not start this cycle until the letro has completely removed the gyno. Once the gyno is gone I would stop the letro and jump on 20mgs Nolv per day (since you are prone to gyno) and I would not start the test cycle until i had been on the nolv for at least 2-3 weeks.

[MattG]

Sounds like a plan B, thanks! Yeah, for sure was plannin on waiting till traces are gone...shouldnt be too much longer, they're not lumps anymore just feel like bigger muscle striations...pencil lead diameter loose tissue about 1/2'' long. Not too much more of a wait I hope. Can't wait to start this cycle bro!

[ROCKETW19]

Thanks to both of you for your help, much appreciated! But see, here I have 2 knowledgeable members saying 2 different things.lol Rocket says Adex, Bouncer says Nolva...bad idea to run Adex E3D with 10mg Nolva daily?

its our opinions. he like the estro to make him look more full. I want to control the estro cuz i care about my health

To stop gyno nolva works but you still have all that estrogen floating in your body doing bad shit. I dont have issue with gyno but I do use Adex cuz i want my ratio of test and estro to be good. for me .5 day after injection 2 times per week has MY blood perfect.

[ROCKETW19]

I forgot you were the guy from the gyno thread. Actually I would not start this cycle until the letro has completely removed the gyno. Once the gyno is gone I would stop the letro and jump on 20mgs Nolv per day (since you are prone to gyno) and I would not start the test cycle until i had been on the nolv for at least 2-3 weeks.

Ya i have no idea about the letro and gyno stuff so you prob better off following his advise.

[MattG]

Thanks Rocket bro, got a few weeks till I start. Unfortunately. If weren't for slight gyno remnants would be startin up tomorrow...But I think I'll still pick up some Adex just to have anyways. If I notice shit's a little off then at least I'll have it on hand if needed. Might just dose it low how u said along side of the nolva to be safe. Don't see how it'd hurt. Hell I don't know.lol Enjoy that vacation my man! I forgot how much good some time away really does for you. Just got back from mine a week ago...Hope you return good and recharged.

[MattG]

Hey Bouncer,
Gonna be ordering up more Nolva so I have enough for after Letro/On cycle/Pct. Have 45 days worth already at 20mg per day-going to follow your advice you gave me the other day. I'm also going to snag an AI as well, just in case gyno flares up...better safe than sorry. So, you're saying 20mg Nolva ED while on right? What AI do you suggest I get to have "just in case"? Adex is good to use if I start getting symptoms correct?

[Bouncer]

Hey Bouncer,
Gonna be ordering up more Nolva so I have enough for after Letro/On cycle/Pct. Have 45 days worth already at 20mg per day-going to follow your advice you gave me the other day. I'm also going to snag an AI as well, just in case gyno flares up...better safe than sorry. So, you're saying 20mg Nolva ED while on right? What AI do you suggest I get to have "just in case"? Adex is good to use if I start getting symptoms correct?

yea, i would have adex on hand. 20mg of nolv WILL keep gyno away on just test though.