Noob here

[Rlziggy]

I've never done any steroid before but I am interested in starting up. I'm 270, pretty out of shape and I want to get back to 200 and working out again. I'd like to slim down a bunch and build a lot of muscle without looking like a juicehead. I see some people that juice that just look like that big guy off of the punisher, wide necks, big waist, and dare I say "bitch tits." That's not the direction I want to go. I've been recommended winstrol and clen. What are some opinions about a first cycle?

[Bouncer]

So your carrying 70lbs of extra fat, is that what your saying?

How about you concentrate on the main issue. Diet. I have no doubt you eat like a slob. Put in the time and effort of cleaning up your diet and only then consider drugs. Trust me, you will look better and respond better to steroids once you have dropped all the lard.

[Herc]

I guarantee who ever told you to use winstrol said it gets you ripped. Lol bouncer is being a lil hard on ya but listen to him.

[Rlziggy]

I was told it would skyrocket my metabolism

[Bouncer]

I was told it would skyrocket my metabolism

cardio and diet will skyrocket your metabolisem. winstrol would be a finishing touch.

[BEAST]

How old are you? If you are a young guy juice is not going to help but if you are 40 or above taking some test would definitely help your fat loss that is only if you do your part with your diet and exercise. There is no magic drug out there that is going to make you burn fat while you are continuing with your bad eating habits.

[Ashoprep]

Lose the bf first.

[Ashoprep]

Forget about the winny for a long time.

[INDUSTRY-GUY2.0]

Solid advice

[redback]

Use the search function jackass