How many AS can one make from 1-test.......

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[Mudge]

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[acuman]

Spidey,

I have some questions, now that I know your credentials (Ph.D)

Do you condone people having home labs to make certain gear, such a test suspension? Isn't it dangerous, with high chance of infection, and who knows what they're really getting?

Another question about 1-test:
Is it a steroid hormone, or is it a prohormone that needs to go under a chemical reaction in the body to become a hormone? I never thought of it as

Would it really be cost effective, in any case, of trying to covnert a prohormone to an aas, as opposed to just letting the labs do it?

How strong is 1-test? What would be the advantages of using it over an aas such as test cyp?

What are the chances of the gov't "overlooked" this one?

I do not have much Chx background, but do have a MS degree, mostly A & P, neurology

Any answers would be appreciated.

[candle25]

Gear made at home is quite safe.

1T is already active and needs no conversion.

If you can convert a PH let me know...lol.

PH's don't hold a candle to AAS.

[spidey]

Originally posted by candle25
OK. I think Spidey made a mistake. I couldn't find where you quoted him from, but in the quote he said to use 1,4-androstadiene-3,17-diol. I think he must have meant 1,4-androstadiene-3,17-dione. Here is the info on that compound:

Names and Synonyms

Name of Substance: Boldione
1,4-Androstadiene-3,17-dione

Synonyms
1,4-Androstadiene-3,17-dione
1-Dehydroandrostenedione
Androstadienedione
EINECS 212-977-2
NSC 49080

Systematic Name
Androsta-1,4-diene-3,17-dione

Classification Codes
Hormone

Formulas Molecular Formula
C19-H24-O2

Registry Numbers CAS

897-06-3

It looks like the 3 C Ketone is being protected by the double bonds on the 1,2 & 4,5 C.

Also as Spidey said, this makes the 3-OH an allylic alcohol. MnO2 selectively oxidizes allylic alcohols. I can't see where a 3-OH would ever be formed. The other double bonded O is where the chemistry takes place.

Some more info:

Boldenone
CAS# 897-06-3
MF C19H24O2

No, no mistake. I did mean the diol not the dione.

The 3-OH is an allylic (actually a diallylic in this case) alcohol and the 17-OH is not. MnO2 preferentially oxidizes allylic alcohols.

I have done this conversion before with 19-nor-androstenediol with no difficulty whatsoever. High yields of pretty clean nandrolone was obtained. I expect the reaction would work even better with 1,4-androstadien-3,17-diol since that 3-OH is further activated toward oxidation by an additional double bond.

[spidey]

Also, the dione must be REDUCED at the 17 position not oxidized. MnO2 is an oxidizing agent.

The dione can be selectively reduced at the 17 position with NaBH4 however, that is a much trickier reaction what is very sensitive to temperature and amount of NaBH4. If you add too much or it is too warm, both the 3 and the 17 positions will be reduced. With care and experience, 90% yields of boldenone are possible by reducing the dione selectively with NaBH4.

[spidey]

Originally posted by candle25
Bro, I'm glad to see someone with an intrest in the chemistry, but I'd advise against waisting your time on these type conversions. I tried many times without sucess. Just search untill you find a powder source and work with that. I never tried the boldenone conversion, but I'll look it over and see if I can help. BTW, Spidey hasn't been around for a while so I doubt that you'll hear from him.

I disagree. A possible problem is that the activity of commercial MnO2 varies considerably. If you got a batch that wasn't very active though, the most that would happen is that the reaction would be incomplete and a separation of the boldenone from the diol would be required. The two are very separated on a TLC plate and chromatography would be relatively easy if you know how to do a column.

There is a well established recipe for making active MnO2 from MnSO4, KOH, and KMnO4 that I can give a reference to if you want. The commercial stuff from Aldrich usually works just fine though.

[spidey]

Originally posted by acuman
Spidey,

I have some questions, now that I know your credentials (Ph.D)

Do you condone people having home labs to make certain gear, such a test suspension? Isn't it dangerous, with high chance of infection, and who knows what they're really getting?

Do I condone it? What am I; the moral police? I think whatever adults do in their homes is their decision and if they do something illegal and get caught, they have no one to blame but themselves. As for it being dangerous: It isn't so dangerous if they sterile filter their brews and are careful. No one should be injecting anything they aren't 100% certain about as to it's identity. People who decide to do things at home should have a way to validate their experiments. TLC is a convenient way to do this.

Originally posted by acuman
Another question about 1-test:
Is it a steroid hormone, or is it a prohormone that needs to go under a chemical reaction in the body to become a hormone? I never thought of it as

1-Test is an active hormone in it's own right. It doesn't need to be converted in the body first.

Originally posted by acuman
Would it really be cost effective, in any case, of trying to covnert a prohormone to an aas, as opposed to just letting the labs do it?

That depends on what you are talking about and how complicated a procedure it is. I wrote the initial post just for the hell of it. Not as a tutorial for people to actually go and do. Most of those procedures would be difficult, if not impossible, to do at home. A fully equiped lab would be required. If you had access to some common inexpensive reagents (like MnO2), some of the procedures would be easy and cheaper than buying the AAS.

Originally posted by acuman
How strong is 1-test? What would be the advantages of using it over an aas such as test cyp?

1-Test is twice as androgenic and 4 to 7 times as anabolic as normal test. The advantages are obvious. The disadvantages are the lethargy, sexual disfunction, and physical pain associated with injecting 1-test cyp. 1-Test seems to be a muscle irritant. I have heard that the cyp ester is less painful however than just 1-test base.

Originally posted by acuman
What are the chances of the gov't "overlooked" this one?

Do you mean overlooked 1-test? They didn't. It is currently legal do to a legal loophole but that loophole will be closed within a few weeks and then 1-test will be just as scheduled and illegal as all the other AAS. I wonder if it's new illegal status will validate it as an AAS to some of these guys who poo poo it now because it is legal, LOL.

Originally posted by acuman
I do not have much Chx background, but do have a MS degree, mostly A & P, neurology

Any answers would be appreciated.

[spidey]

ratio of PH:MnO2 is 1:5. The amount of chloroform or dichloromethane is less critical. Use enough to comfortably dissolve the PH. 1 Gram PH to 10 mL solvent should be OK.

[spidey]

The MnO2 can be used again.

[r_deese]

What's the best and most easily obtained solvent that could be used in a reaction between 4-ad powder and MnO2?

[r_deese]

lol, im the one that told you about that over on AM ;)

[spidey]

It isn't expensive. You could try it and see if it works. If you can do TLC, the reaction is easy to moniter.

[martialartist11]

Damn. I'm impressed. Good chemistry. I was thinking about(just in thought) about starting with cholesterol. I read earlier that you treated the cholesterol with CrO3, acid, and heat. Jones reagent right? I was thinking that the cholesterol would be dissolved in acetone, then the Jones reagent added. Brought to boiling temps. of the acetone, and using a condensation appartaus to collect the solvent on the far side. This should yield a opague green mess right? My question is what would a man do from here to isolate the andro? Also how much Jone's reagent would be needed? Thanks.

[martialartist11]

oops put that post in the wron spot