Low Dose deca for joints?

[Bouncer]

Thinking about adding low dose deca (200mgs per week) to my test cycle.

Some say it just covers up the pain by adding fluid to the joints but others say it actually can help heal. Either one is fine with me to be honest as long as I feel good.

Thoughts and experiences?

Interesting study. They gave women deca and it increased collagen levels. Collagen synthesis in postmenopausal women during therapy with anabolic steroid or female sex hormones. - PubMed - NCBI

[Bouncer]

To add, people argue that deca only masks the pain allowing you to lift heavier and thus doing more damage. They come to the conclusion that somehow deca is bad for your joints for that reason. But what if you actually have a brain and train smart allowing the deca to do its thing and increase synoval fluid in the injured area. Seems to me that can have a great effect in healing as long as the user is not a halfwit who starts throwing around weights as soon as the injured area feels better.

[blm]

I'm against it, personally. Based on personal experience for the same reason.

I took 200 e7d that provided miracle like benefits while on. To the point I even questioned if I really had the significant pain and injuries in my shoulder and elbow that I had once needed rehab and cortisone shots for.

I stayed on for 10 weeks. I continuously reminded myself to not push myself too hard to avoid further injury. However, despite my best efforts it proved to be nearly impossible because no matter what you do, you get stronger, you feel stronger, and working out feels so much more comfortable. You "naturally" progress to more intense workouts.

You may not be causing injury but you are not helping not allowing it to heal.

Maybe in a physical therapy scenario there will be more permanent actual healing benefits, but not in the daily gym grind.

Then there are the gyno concerns while on and the sexual sides while off.

Nandrolones are equally as effective in a positive and negative manner for me. I battled gyno while on and random noodle dick for months after coming off even while staying on test. That added to a negative mental aspect.

To sum it up, not worth it, IMO.

[Bouncer]

Great post, exactly what I'm looking for.

It's hard because you say not worth it but you also say it worked wonders in terms of making you feel better. I see that and my eyes light up with excitement because thats exactly what I want! haha

My mind says, well if you feel great while on then why the hell should I ever come off it!

I'm sure you can understand the mindset. When you have a nagging injury the only thing you can think about is fixing it and damn everything else. lol

[blm]

Oh I understand. With all that said in my post, I still have to talk myself out of another run (this one will be different mindset). I love deca.

It truly was like a miracle while on. But it's all back and I live with it everyday. I really wish I was running it years ago when I went through therapy for 6 months.

[Bouncer]

Well you talked me into it bro. i'm gonna run 200mgs along with 500mgs of test.

do you remember how long it took for you to start noticing improvement? about 3-4 weeks?

[blm]

No I can't recall.

Looking forward to the log.

[BamBam179]

I ran Deca a few years ago to deal with a persistent pectoral pain that made it impossible to even do a push up for a year. 10 weeks of Deca(only repping the bar) and pain was gone, and never came back. So I say it heals

[ROCKETW19]

Deca has a built in anti inflammatory that's why people say they feel better. You can't shove water in your joint who ever said that was a patriot repeating everyone else. You know like all the kids in high school say winny best drug ever.

We have talked about collegian before! You take test only I have told you your gonna dry out your ligaments and possibly tear one. Deca, EQ, and of coarse GH work for collegian synthesis

Be carful deca and tren are very close to the same even though they act way different in the body progesterone gyno is real
I'll assume since your so sensitive to estrogen you prob not with progesterone (assume)
Do not use nolva on deca keep with Adex no problem

5 week before its 100% built up in your body to full strength me I'd feel it week 3 or so but everyone different

I'd say take it for the collegian alone if I remember correct last time we talked about it you were gonna go GH again but that was along time ago

[Bouncer]

yea i'm running low dose adex so hopefully that combined with the low amount of deca will mean i have no issue with gyno.

by "shoving water in the joints" i meant an increase of synovial fluid between the joints. deca does do this as well no?

is 200mgs per week a high enough dose for the therapeutic benefits?

[chuckz28]

I wonder does npp have the same positives as deca but quicker acting if you have problems with side effects to get control of?

[Bouncer]

I wonder does npp have the same positives as deca but quicker acting if you have problems with side effects to get control of?

yea been reading about NPP also. only thing keeping me from wanting to try it is it needs to be injected like EOD correct?

with regular deca i can just inject with my test E4D

[ROCKETW19]

Yes nnp is prop
200mgs will def have what you want and more your gonna get bigger more full even on your physco diet.
I can't say anything about the fluids as I don't know but how can that be your joints are not sealed in water tight so it don't make sense but again I don't know anything about that. I don't use deca because of progesterone gyno
Every 4 day inject is more than good

[ROCKETW19]

Oh I understand. With all that said in my post, I still have to talk myself out of another run (this one will be different mindset). I love deca.

It truly was like a miracle while on. But it's all back and I live with it everyday. I really wish I was running it years ago when I went through therapy for 6 months.

You did nnp how did it work?
Was it like comparing test E to test P

[blm]

Never did any short ester test. But the npp great. Deca results immediately. However it seemed my sensitivity to gyno was amplified with it as well.