Tren Enth Log 2016

[Bouncer]

Most here know that I'm sensitive to tren, all the bad sides of tren I seem to get. I've run it twice before and had to cut it short. This time though I think things will be different, here's why..

For years I ran nolvadex with all my cycles. My mindset was that it's best not to kill estrogen levels with adex or letro because that can hurt gaines. This mindset is fine for test only cycles as it keeps the sides away but I think this is where tren got me in trouble. It changed up the hormone ratio in my body and Nolv was useless at preventing it. Hell I've even read that Nolv can actually make gyno while on tren worse. Might be bro science on that one though.

About a year ago I made the switch from nolv to low dose adex. I've noticed that sides are much easier to control even on a test only cycle. I'm currently successfully running low dose deca for the first time side free and it's because of the switch from nolv to adex IMO.

So here's the plan:

Since I'm so sensitive to it I'm gonna start low dose.

* 75mgs Tren Enth E5D
* 500mgs Test Enth E5D
* .30mgs-.40mgs Adex ED

Gonna make the transition from Deca to Tren in January so stay tuned.

[blm]

You cannot even handle the the emotional side of low dose deca and you're willing to take the risk of running tren?!?

This will be exciting for us to watch the unraveling of the man formerly known as bouncer.

[Bouncer]

I got this! I'm starting to get a hold of the deca mental effects, just took me a few months. :P

Question on joints. Blm, you've mentioned that tren has the same positive effect on joints that deca has. I've read this a few times. Is the effect on joints just as strong? If there is any articles on this I'd love to read them.

[blm]

Never read any articles. But it was undeniable. Just as strong.

[Bouncer]

Wonder if it's a 19-Nor thing? EQ is 19-nor and I've heard that drug linked with joint soothing effects as well. I'm gonna look for some articles, I'll post it if I find anything worth reading.

[blm]

EQ is not 19 nor

[Bouncer]

Seems EQ is not 19-Nor. My mistake.

[Bouncer]

lol same time post. just read that.

[Bouncer]

So it seems that the common link is Progesterone. The very thing that causes sides is the very thing that helps the joints. Guess it's about finding that delicate balance.

This article has nothing to do with tren, just the link of progesterone and healthy bones and joints.


Joint Pain & Progesterone

Progesterone is a hormone naturally produced in the body. Though it is present in both women and men, it is more prominent in women as it plays a key role in regulating menstrual cycles and preparation for pregnancy. When progesterone levels become imbalanced, physical symptoms such as irregular periods, mood swings, headaches, fatigue and joint pain can occur. This type of hormone imbalance can happen at any time during a woman’s childbearing years but is most common during perimenopause, or the transitional time before menses stops, according to John Lee, M.D.

Progesterone Deficiency and Bone Health
When progesterone levels are low for any length of time, the bones and joints can be affected, says author Karen J. Romano, R.N., D.C. Because progesterone works directly with bone-building cells known as osteoblasts, diseases like osteoporosis and arthritis can develop if the problem is not corrected. Studies have shown that progesterone replacement has significantly improved pain and other symptoms in patients with bone and joint conditions, says Romano.

Relationship of Estrogen to Progesterone
Estrogen dominates during the first two weeks of a woman’s cycles. When ovulation occurs, estrogen levels drop and progesterone naturally increases, taking the dominant role for the remainder of the cycle. The cycle starts again when the progesterone levels drop. Anytime a woman does not ovulate, the progesterone does not reach normal mid-cycle blood serum levels of 5 to 20 ng/mL, or nanograms per milliliter. This is the condition known as “Estrogen Dominance,” a phrase coined by Dr. Lee. This disruption of normal hormone balance is one cause of adverse physical and emotional symptoms, according to Lee.

Natural Progesterone
While correcting a progesterone imbalance is not usually complicated, it should be done under the care of a physician. Though there is insufficient proof that natural progesterone creams and supplements are more effective than prescription progesterone, some doctors may recommend them to bring the hormone levels back to normal. Dr. Lee proposes that “not all creams are created equal” and should be chosen carefully. The primary difference between natural progesterone and synthetic is that the natural type mimics the body’s natural hormone and is absorbed more easily; therefore, symptoms may decrease faster.

Synthetic Progesterone
Synthetic progesterone, or progestin, is considered a safe and viable treatment for hormone deficiency by the FDA. This type of therapy is usually given to women suffering from significant adverse symptoms related to perimenopause and menopause, as well as for many other hormone-related conditions. Though joint pain is a common symptom of low progesterone, it is also a side-effect of progestin therapy.

Warnings
Do not use any type of progesterone replacement, natural or synthetic, during pregnancy. Some patients may have an increased risk of blood clots, stroke, heart attack, or breast cancer, depending on their medical history. Some progesterone creams may contain plant-based oils or other possible allergens. Consult your physician if your joint pain does not improve with progesterone replacement, as it may be a symptom of another disease or condition.

Joint Pain & Progesterone | LIVESTRONG.COM

[chuckz28]

It is interesting seeing what these super low doses does. Good luck to your mind bro.

[Bouncer]

It is interesting seeing what these super low doses does. Good luck to your mind bro.

Yea, I really believe that something as strong as tren can be used at much lower dosages than what is accepted on the boards. I think thats why we see so many people with bad sides.

[MattG]

I'm considering something like this too B. Around 37mg eod of tren ace...have had a bottle just sitting around and figured may as well see what happens. Maybe even a lower dose than that. 37mg would b 1/2cc cause mines only 75mg/cc strength. Cant remember the lowest dose i tried, but it def wasnt that low. All previous attempts ended up in gyno even using prami or caber plus an ai.

[Bouncer]

37mg EOD comes out to about 150mgs per week. 75mgs E5D comes out to 105mgs per week. So your tren dose will be roughly 50mgs more per week. Will be interesting to see the difference in terms of potential sides. Surely there is a tren dose that we can use without sides. Just about finding how low that dose is and if it has any positive effect at such a dose. We will never know if we don't experiment and find the tolerance.