When to do first cycle

[frankenstein]

"proof"

Is there any proof of that?

There are lots of descriptions of this on the net. But the person who told me was my family doctor in the mid to late '80s

[frankenstein]

Well, so to answer the question again. I would suggest 500mg test cyp(enanthate if your over 40) for 10 weeks, with the arimidex for swell. Most people around me do mass training in the winter, cut training in the spring and summer, strength in the late summer and fall. I would do the test first cycle in the fall so you can handle heavy weights for the mass program. Then in the winter add 250 of DECA and maybe some dianabol (30mgs daily) to the same test program. You should see 30 pounds or so on that. Then do your spring cut clean... So you look good for summer. Then fall strength again w/ dianabol (50mgs daily) only. Winter mass cycle 2 could include test, masteron( twice weekly) and or tren ace (100mgs each workout) with the test...spring cut on clen, t3 and winstrol(30mgs daily). Then maybe do your PCT and enjoy the results!

[Bouncer]

LoL Frankenstein enanthate and cyp are exactly the same bro. Listen to someone who has used both many times. On paper they look slightly different but in real world use they are identical. I feel like you read something on a forum and repeat it as fact.

[blm]

Is there any proof of that?

[frankenstein]

The difference isn't so much effect in the cycle as purpose. It seems as though enanthate is for men over 40 as it has less of a "shock" on our endocrine system and emotions...

[BamBam179]

I've read that enethate has a half life of 10 days,so would need to pin ev every 5. Cyp is 14 so once a week would do. That's what I go by

[Bouncer]

On paper they are different in practice they are the same.

300 horse power has a better ring to it than 299 and 1/3 horse power. It's the human mind that makes it different.

Car reference, ding ding ding. :P

[blm]

Agreed, my script goes back and forth between cyp and enanthate and nothing changes with how feel or my blood work.

[redback]

I doubt if anyone could tell the difference between cyp and enanth. People read into it to much.

[rado]

I have considered cyp or enethate as my first cycle. Is any good online sources or best to get in person?

Don't ask for sources, you're just setting yourself up for trouble. Be careful if you get PM's of anyone soliciting.

[thorhammer]

I have considered cyp or enethate as my first cycle. Is any good online sources or best to get in person?

[Bouncer]

Cyp has a stronger effect and less side effects like swell... I think cyp is the "go to" ester for modern cycles.

really? i go back and forth between cyp and enth and can't tell the difference. you may be right, i'd just like to read more about it before I say for sure. If you have any studies I'd like to see them. I don't say that in a smart ass way either, I'm genuinely interested. :)

[frankenstein]

Cyp has a stronger effect and less side effects like swell... I think cyp is the "go to" ester for modern cycles.

[Bouncer]

There's no difference between enath or cyp. They act in the same way.

[frankenstein]

Good suggestion... Cypionate would be my addition to his post.