Chuck's early 2016 cycle

[chuckz28]

Gear:
Test E 500mg/week
Msten 20mg per day

Support:
Adex .4 ml per day
NAC 1tab a day
TUDCA 500mg per day

Test is solid of course and I've run Msten solo with great results so I've combined the two here and I love it. Msten in the winter is great because it raises the body temp to the point of nearly sweating even in the cold for a few hours after taking it. Dry DHT fast acting oral with good test base = winning.

I've got to say on my last cycle I only stuck with pinning glutes and Ventro glutes. Decided to try delts for the last two and I loved it. Nice and slow, easy to hit and can't feel shit. What are your guys favorite injection sites? Another mental note: BD syringes are much better than Terumo's. Sharper pin and bigger finger posts on the barrel to prevent slippage.

I've been on for a day shy of two weeks now and in combination with the new training program, gear, and increased food intake I've gained 14lbs scale weight (mostly water/glycogen). Less than 2 weeks in and I'm getting accused of steroid use at work. First 6 days I was up 8 lbs. Love it! I've kinda been following rich pianna's big as fuck plan just not his same cycle and my own training routine. Incredible results so far that is taking me by surprise.

I honestly didn't expect this shit at all to the point that I took no pictures of myself or the scale. I had lost all my gains from the last cycle and got down to 184lb doing only 5x5 program 2 days a week. I only expect to maybe hit 200 if I was lucky at the end of 12 weeks but I'm almost there already so im having an excellent response to new stimulus that sounds unbelievable.

I haven't been measuring anything else, just using the mirror and scale this time. Routine incorporates set progressive overload on a 4 day split. Diet is getting better but I'm not keeping track of each macro, just rough protein estimates. If/when I stall on this cycle the diet will be the first thing to get more scrutiny but for now I'm getting bigger and staying at the same leanness so it is working.

[Bouncer]

Just so we are clear. You are not talking about Masteron above right? The abbreviation had me confused for a sec but then I saw you mention oral. Your dosing still has me confused though. 20mg per week? At 200mg per week it would make sense for masteron. lol. Are you talking about Methylstenbolone (M-Sten)?

[chuckz28]

Yeah Methylstenbolone sorry.

[Bouncer]

So 20mg per week is the correct dose? All the doses I are closer to 35-40mgs per week or 5mgs per day?

As for your original question about injection sites. Delts is my favorite also. Super easy to shoot (especially with 27g slin pin) and you get the added benefit of having extre full and rounded delts for a few days after shot. :D

[chuckz28]

Shit that's per day. I was as clear as mud there.
When it first came out guys ran like 12mg a day but it was found to be most effective at 20-30. Last time I did 20 for 6 weeks. This time it will be 5 weeks.

[Bouncer]

look at the top of your first post bro. it says per week. lol.

Anything you would recommend to first time users? Side effects wise or anything that may be helpful to people that never used it?

[chuckz28]

Yeah I can't change it now. As far as first time users are concerned there probably won't be many. After the DSCA (Designer Steroid Control Act) all companies stopped producing it. I only know of one company that produces it in small quantities and they haven't been having the best customer service so it's unfortunately looking like a dead hormone.

If someone does have some, take good care of the liver while on. 17a methylated is toxic. Lots of water and good liver aids are a must. You can get some heartburn and dry mouth if you aren't getting a gallon a day or more.

Increased body temps and quickly induced pumps can have ups and downs. If you take before bed you could end up with wet sheets but great for cool temps and keeping warm. Pumps are great in the gym but you can get back pumps that can be annoying from daily activities.

Great strength gains, lean muscle gains are a plus but increased hair loss is not.

[Bouncer]

I'll edit it.

I'm sure it can be made UG if it proves popular enough.

[chuckz28]

Thanks for the edit. I really enjoy Msten as well as one of my coworkers. I know it was popular with the prohormone and designer crowd but not sure if it would ever make it to UG level. I'm sure the price for raws has increased significantly by now due to lack of demand from shady supp companies. There may still be availability in Europe.

[rado]

Good post chuck. ...I use all areas for pinning but I do like traps and lats as a fav, still to this day. In regards to the pins, I've sued both of them and I like terumo over BD. Post pics bro and looking forward to your progress

[chuckz28]

This last week was a hell of a bump in the road. Long story short it has been about $900, 3 emergency room visits, 1 urgent care visit, and a lot of prescriptions between my wife and oldest boy. Everything is going to be OK now but it has been stressful and expensive so gains took a back seat in importance. Food backed way down from time management issues and extra help around the house and I dropped a few pounds from my high point as a result. I was up 18 pounds to so now I'm only up around 15. Should be able to kick back into routine Friday but my sleep schedule is jacked the fuck up too. Worst case this work weekend should straighten me up.

[jack tors]

If it were me I wouldn't take it very toxic? There are other safer compounds to use with test. If you do I'd make this your last run with it my brother.

[chuckz28]

If it were me I wouldn't take it very toxic? There are other safer compounds to use with test. If you do I'd make this your last run with it my brother.

I think the toxicity is a bit exaggerated or perhaps much more toxic without good liver support. I don't have on cycle blood work however with 500mg of TUDCA which is ambiphilic bile acid which prevents cholestasis, as well as 600mg of NAC which is used to clear the liver during things such as a acetomeniphene overdose, these combined leave me feeling great and having nice clear urine. Also drinking a lot of water helps. Any increase in liver values have come back down to acceptable ranges during my off cycle blood tests.

[Chadd77]

18 pounds is a ton of weight to put on. Sounds like a first cycle. lol How was your diet and training before you started the cycle? I have only ran low doses in the last 8 years and can't imagine putting on that kind of weight in such a short amount of time. You guys are making me rethink my low doses. :D

[Bouncer]

18 pounds is a ton of weight to put on. Sounds like a first cycle. lol How was your diet and training before you started the cycle? I have only ran low doses in the last 8 years and can't imagine putting on that kind of weight in such a short amount of time. You guys are making me rethink my low doses. :D

I think it's a good idea to try an max out the body with low dose like me and you have done. But their comes a time where we have to admit that we simply aren't making much progress in terms of size on the same old low dose cycles we've been using for years.