Drug Free All Natural IFBB Pro

[Bouncer]

Lenartowicz denies using steroids and growth hormone.

He says his physique comes down to good genetics and many years of hard work.

"I've never ever cheated in my life," he says.

"It's almost a form of bullying in a way. If people said that about Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods … it is disrespectful in a way because it disregards all the hard work."

"There's no magic potion. It takes years," he says.

"Anyone thinks that you can get it through taking a performance enhancer is kidding themselves.

Anyone that wants to take it that way should wait til they're old enough and reached their maturity level and seek medical advice.

"I don't judge anyone. But at the same time I don't like being labelled."



Josh the giant: what it takes to become the world's best bodybuilder - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

[jack tors]

Hilarious.
I do agree most ppl think if they take roids they will instantly look like that. you still have to have all those other things he mentions...

[Bouncer]

Before anyone says "he has a point".. Yes he does. You can't just take drugs and become great, you can't just take drugs and become a pro, this is true.

BUT. To completely disregard PEDs and give them no credit especially in the case of an IFBB pro is just as wrong. The simple fact is this. He trains hard, he eats hard, he dedicates his life to the game. Drugs allow that dedication to be taken several orders of magnitude further than what is possible naturally. Take the drugs away and everything he does becomes less. His body stops using the cals as efficiently, the body stops responding to training in the same way, the recovery time slows etc..

So while he may have a point, he is also full of shit. Filt!

[Bouncer]

ha jack we posted at same time.

[MattG]

Hilarious.
I do agree most ppl think if they take roids they will instantly look like that. you still have to have all those other things he mentions...

So many ppl think that shit it's ridiculous. A couple weeks ago a young kid, probably 20, asked me "what do you do to get so big?". So I told him how I eat 5000 call a day, hundreds of grams of protein, lift hard 6x a week etc...his response was "oh, I just figured you took a bunch of steroids and worked out a couple times a week".lol yep, that's all there is to it. Take steroids and instantly develop a physique. Idiots.

[Bouncer]

So many ppl think that shit it's ridiculous. A couple weeks ago a young kid, probably 20, asked me "what do you do to get so big?". So I told him how I eat 5000 call a day, hundreds of grams of protein, lift hard 6x a week etc...his response was "oh, I just figured you took a bunch of steroids and worked out a couple times a week".lol yep, that's all there is to it. Take steroids and instantly develop a physique. Idiots.

question. imagine yourself having never used steroids. would your body use those 5000 cals in the same way? would you even be someone a kid would ask "how do you get so big?" Or would you be about 175lbs slightly pumped with a kinda/sorta lean physique? lol

i know all about dedication and hard work brother, you know I do. but i think the way we try to justify or take credit away from steroids is equally ridiculous.

take all the drugs away from an Olympia lineup and you are looking at a very underwhelming bodybuilding show. Kevin Levrone demonstrates this perfectly. Without steroids he is a 45 year old 150lb soft body youtube joke. With steroids the guy is a 50 year old 225lb lean monster who looks like he could step on stage today.

[MattG]

question. imagine yourself having never used steroids. would your body use those 5000 cals in the same way? would you even be someone a kid would ask "how do you get so big?" Or would you be about 175lbs slightly pumped with a kinda/sorta lean physique? lol

i know all about dedication and hard work brother, you know I do. but i think the way we try to justify or take credit away from steroids is equally ridiculous.

take all the drugs away from an Olympia lineup and you are looking at a very underwhelming bodybuilding show. Kevin Levrone demonstrates this perfectly. Without steroids he is a 150lb soft body youtube joke. With steroids the guy is a 50 year old 225lb lean monster who looks like he could step on stage today.

Oh trust me, I am quite aware of their effects, which is why I can't stop taking them.lol. No way would I look how I do now without them, no denying that. This was a kid at work, and due to our job he couldn't believe I find the time to do all that I do...which is why he thought all I did was a couple half ass workouts and a bunch of steroids. In his mind, you don't need to lift that much, he thinks all that's required is steroids. That's all I was trying to get across. Most ppl assume steroids are like magic, and they too could look like you and i, if they were to change nothing in their diet etc, and start pumping juice. They have no concept of all the work and dedication that is necessary to look big.

[Bouncer]

i hear ya brother. I just see the flip side. when someone says "all drugs" they have a point. without the drugs we wouldn't be able to eat, train, or look anywhere near what we do.

i agree though, they have no clue the effort that is involved.

[jack tors]

So many ppl think that shit it's ridiculous. A couple weeks ago a young kid, probably 20, asked me "what do you do to get so big?". So I told him how I eat 5000 call a day, hundreds of grams of protein, lift hard 6x a week etc...his response was "oh, I just figured you took a bunch of steroids and worked out a couple times a week".lol yep, that's all there is to it. Take steroids and instantly develop a physique. Idiots.

this fat guy at the gym ran gear for a year... did NOTHING poor bastard I think he got fatter. he trained but no real intensity diet probably never changed.

[jack tors]

Kevin Levrone demonstrates this perfectly. Without steroids he is a 45 year old 150lb soft body youtube joke.

I just laughed at my computer after reading that:rofl:

theres an aspect of secret jealously and hatred ... guys are quick to dismiss a bigger dude... "oh well hes on roids." it makes them feel that they are better than them ... "if I used it id be huge" most likely not


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-2...towicz/7201578 all done without roids whos he kidding

[AvidFisherman]

I've been reading that the natural limit for a male is a fat free mass index of 25, unless you have a lot of fat and then you can exceed that 25 limit. So, if someone has a ffmi over 25 and has low bf% it is impossible for them to have achieved that state naturally.

[Bouncer]

I've been reading that the natural limit for a male is a fat free mass index of 25, unless you have a lot of fat and then you can exceed that 25 limit. So, if someone has a ffmi over 25 and has low bf% it is impossible for them to have achieved that state naturally.

What's an example of a 25 fat free mass look like? I want to see a pic of what's considered the max you can naturally cause a number doesn't help me understand.

[AvidFisherman]

Look at the bodybuilders in the 1930's

Here is an article from Lyle McDonald's site.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/res...h-review.html/

[Bouncer]

Look at the bodybuilders in the 1930's

Here is an article from Lyle McDonald's site.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/res...h-review.html/

Good article.

[Scrumhalf]

Great article. Pretty much anything on Lyle's site or Alan Aragon's site is topnotch. These guys really know what they are talking about. No bro science here, only real science.