kids. . .

[canadagold]

NOt sure if this should be in here or in the general chat section but seeing as it has to do with drugs. . .

When I have kids in the future I have decided that I will let them discover drugs not on their own but with me, their parent, if they ever do decide to give them a try. .ie. I would rather smoke a joint with my kid or get smashed at a bar with my child (when they are old enough to go) than have them do it on their own with some losers that may or may not give a shit about them etc. . . The same goes for AAS. If I have a son I would rather set a time limit on them (ie. not until he has trained for at least 2 years solid natty and gotten some good gains as well as being at least 20 yrs old) and give him advice and knowledge as well as providing safe gear to use rather than some bathtub gear made by some guy he has never met and probably is just out to make a few bucks.

What are your views on this issue people? let your kids discover these things by themselves (maybe with the local drug dealer perhaps?) or educate them on the use and abuse of certain drugs and let them experience it/them with you present.
I believe I started thinking about stuff like this when I was talking about Johnny Depp with my fiance . . .he was dragged thru the media at one point for saying he would rather smoke a joint at home with his kids (or something to that effect) rather than have them out buying stuff on the street etc.
Anyway, thats just something I would like to hear from others on the board about. . .
:)

[JUICE]

i always thought of the same thing bro. My mother did that to me too, she told me when i was younger if i ever wanted Beer or cigarettes, for me to tell her. She would let me drink but as long as it was here at home. I started drinking when I was 16 years old in high school. I did leanr and did it here in my house, about rec drugs and shit like that...she told me about them and what would happen if i took them. Till this day I havent touched one, beer i still drink and all. What my mom did to me I will do to my kids when I get older. Same goes for roids, I will give them adive and all.

[Stonecold54]

I whole heartedly agree with you canada. Parental discussion and intiation is the best for kids. you are right they shouldn't learn it from a stranger. you would be chastised in public but then the public doesn't understand much about drugs, just what the government tells them. I hope to have a son some day and educate him about everything about lifting, eating, and drugs. so that he doesn't make all the mistakes that I did.

[JohnnyB]

When you have children your views tend to change, I used to think I'd do something like that. I think what changed my mind was seeing a father and son strung out on dope or a mother daughter team hookin for drug money.

Seen my neighbors go down hill because of them think they could help their kids when it came to drugs. The kids went passed what the parents showed them. Started dealing crystal, then the mom started using it. They'd steal from the dad, destroyed his business. In the end the youngest son shot the mom then turned the gun on himself, they both died. We're not talking in the ghetto either, working middle class neighborhood, that's what changed my mind on it.

I know you wouldn't take it that far but that's what made me think differently about drugs and me children. But once they're introduce to them you have no control over how they use or abuse them.

JohnnyB

[canadagold]

Originally posted by JohnnyB
When you have children your views tend to change, I used to think I'd do something like that. I think what changed my mind was seeing a father and son strung out on dope or a mother daughter team hookin for drug money.

Seen my neighbors go down hill because of them think they could help their kids when it came to drugs. The kids went passed what the parents showed them. Started dealing crystal, then the mom started using it. They'd steal from the dad, destroyed his business. In the end the youngest son shot the mom then turned the gun on himself, they both died. We're not talking in the ghetto either, working middle class neighborhood, that's what changed my mind on it.

I know you wouldn't take it that far but that's what made me think differently about drugs and me children. But once they're introduce to them you have no control over how they use or abuse

JohnnyB

I think that is terrible! what a sad story :(
I was talking in terms of stuff like pot, alcohol and aas. . .I would not EVER let my kids take stuff like crystal, heroine etc. . .and I can tell them from experience that that stuff is shit and I would not deal it or let them be in my house if they decided that that was what they wanted in life. Regarding the mom taking drugs; I would not ever be married to someone that was an addictive personality so I would hope that was not even a remote possibility. My fiance and I do not drink on a regular basis (we go out and get smashed a few times a year!) and we don't do any type of hard drugs. .nor do we have a need to do them. I hope that I can teach my kids good morals and clear judgement like my parents did with me; but without the restrictions I had like not being able to go to a school dance or missing out on parties and stuff because they were "immoral" etc. . .
my family is much more relaxed now but when I was in public school and high school I was considered a bad kid in a way because I did not go to church anymore and I had sex before marriage etc. . .I don't want to be strict like that and I want to be relaxed enough to allow my kids to experiment with stuff like alcohol and stuff like pot but there is a line that will be drawn that can't be crossed without repercussions and that will be made very clear as to what is the limit.
If you are a "fulfilled" person and don't have problems with self esteem etc. then there will be no need for drugs. Other than for a few fun times here and there (I have done a few nights out in the past on rec drugs but not because I felt I needed them to be happy, but just to try them out and have a blast; once the night was over I did not think about doing it again) a well adjusted and well brought up person has no need for drugs.

[space mountain]

a persons views do change when you have kids...mine is now 17 yrs old..a young man lol i have showed him everything i know about anabolic steriods cause he plays football and some are takin them so far he says he hasnt ...he is to young for that

[Doom]

One think you cant even understand though, unless you are an addict, is there mind..I am an addict, and ur perception of reality changes so vastly, you forget where the real you begins, and the evil one ends....there is no happy medium, its one of two variables, you will either live a life condemned by these substances, maniplualting, and lying, basing your every action around what you can do while on these drugs, and then slowly live by there command, sheltered and alone...
Or you can be one of the few that are fortunate enough to die, and I mean that they are fortuante, because no true addict wants help, and what the body and mind must cgo through to over come it is beyond any pain you will ever know in your life...some just use, and then dream the everlasting dream...others must live the nightmare

I live in pugatory, always haunted by what was, remined of the pain, but can still see a small path of enlightenment and future, because I, choose to stop. I didnt want to become a stastic, but I will always be an addict, my choose is just not to use ever again

[space mountain]

i agree totally bro on this subject

[6p6]

I think with AAS and marijuana when they are old enough I would rather be upfront with my kids and show them the right path but other recreational drugs I WILL condemn to my children. I've seen the dark side and I don't want them to touch its path. That doesn't mean I will condemn communication about the subjects but you won't see me doing a line with my kid!

Additionally, I have a friend who was given the open drug scene with his parents as he grew up. I used to envy him now I pitty him. He can't hold a job, has a kid he doesn't want, always has legal troubles, the guy seems like he has a black cloud over his head. AND this isn't the "old card he was dealt" rather in school he was the best athlete, smart, best looking, had the nicest car, ALL the potential in the world yet it has gone all to waste.....food for thought....

[canadagold]

Re: Re: kids. . .

Originally posted by INTIMID8OR3
Im disappointed in you !!! This is the worst idea you could ever come up with......:confused:

Our children are supposed to look up to us for guidance to point them in the right direction not to let them know it's ok to do drugs.....We can screw up our marriages but the most important thing we can do in our life is be good role models for our kids and raise them correctly......

"Example' What if your child was in school and lost a scholarship playing ball because you participated in his taking AAS......"He'd never forgive you" I'd rather tell my child "NO" Explain the dangers and hope the hell he listens to me 9 times out of 10 they'll listen ....We lead by example.....

I hate to post to things like this because everyone has strong feellings on children ,religion and politics but this one is by far the worst one to make a mistake on ........Again I'D want my child to look up to me as a role model and i can guarantee you that if you let them do any kind of drugs when they're older it will come back to hurt you.....Maybe not when they're young but in due time ....;) :agree:

Thats what I wanted . . .some open discussion on the subject. . .no hot words, just good open posting on how we feel on a subject. . . the guys that posted I will say that you may be right; when I do have kids I might change my mind totally, doom, I have upmost respect for your decision and you are one strong bro :agree:
If my kid asks I will probably tell them it is not a good idea but if they are set on doing it you know they will. . .at that point I would rather do what juicers parents did and let them have a drink at home etc. . .that way they know it is o.k. in moderation and not necessary for a good time when you go out. All kids are going to go and get wrecked at some point or another no matter how controlling a parent is: we all know this because we all have done it when we were kids!
:)
I think this is a good thread because it has made me think a bit more about it which was what my intention was the whole time. I have not made up my mind but when the time comes I will have given it some real thought and will be able to make that decision:)

[6p6]

canadagold your right this has been a good thread....

[JohnnyB]

6p6 it's hard for kids to distinguish between rec drugs. You can't tell your kids that 1 rec drug is ok but the others aren't, weed is a rec drug(I know you know that).

My cousins husband smoked pot with his son, showed him all his old friends that went down because of other drugs like crystal, heroin and coke. He always seen the porblems his aunt had with her drug addiction but he still decided to use crystal and had been battling it for 10 or more years now.

Your children will make their own way in life, we can show them a better way. Tell them the mistakes we've made but they'll make their own decision weather good or bad.

JohnnyB

[Doom]

Now , since I really should have read this fully before responding, I have to agree with CG on some points.

Look folks, its almost the year 2004, generation X came and went, its on to the degeneration of X...as our lives progress, the chemical wizardy of people will keep becoming more efficent in finding the ultimate high, or rush, and no matter what you say or do to your children, they will be sxposed to it unless you plan on locking them away in a room with no windows or doors forever.

I dont have kids, but Im an older brother, so I guess Im a small role model, and what monkey sees, monjey does...I knew my bro would do shit no matter what I or my parents said, he was destined to conform with society, and I was with him the first times he used a great deal of things....Now does this make me a bad role model, yes and no, hes an adult, I have no right to force him to to do something, and once the human mind has been made, its not changing...is it better that I was there, yes, if something did happen, or he couldnt understand the state of mind, being his brother and having someone close to you, by you makes the xpierence all the more better, and easier

What am I saying here, encourage drug use, FUCK NO!...educate yes...the more you hover an object over someones head, the more likely they are going to move out of its path, just from defiance, and go under a different shelter..pace the way you handle situations, and accept the fact that anyone that has a child right now, age 13 or greater, they have, are, or will smoked weed, drank a beer, smoked a cigarette, or maybe gone futher than that.

be accepting, talk the problem out, lashing out in scorn, will make them do it again, addressing the problem with caring and you will see a different story...take it from a person who knows....

[canadagold]

Good point doom . .I think that was what I was trying to say. .I am not going to say "kids, lets smoke a joint now" . . .I will tell them about drugs and that I don't think they are the best things out there and that they are not needed to have a good time. .but if they are going to go ahead and do them I hope that they will be close enough to me to come and ask my advice. I can only hope I am that good of a parent that my kids will respect me and love me enough to do that:)

[canadagold]

Originally posted by 6p6
canadagold your right this has been a good thread....

Thanks:) I hope I can start a few more good convos along the way. .that is what makes this board so kick ass. . .some of the boards I have seen are so immature it makes me sick. . .ones like getbig etc. need to be burned at the server. . .