SARMs while on cycle.

[epix00]

I have not been able to find a clear cut answer to this question, but why is it not advised to run sarms while on a cycle? I don't buy into the competing for receptor theory, as there is plenty of receptors available while running moderate steroid dosages, if there wasn't than additional gains wouldnt be possible by adding additional compounds or increasing dosages. So why not add a sarm in place of an additional compound? (yes a new compound would be more effective, but lets say you just wanted to add something mild that wouldnt increase BP for example).

I also do not understand why sarms are traditionally ran for 6 weeks or less. This is counter intuitive to me as they are supposed to be less harmful than steroids. So if they are why is it run for less tan a traditional cycle of steroids would be?

[Bouncer]

Is mk-677 or bpc-157 considered a sarm? I don't know to much about Sarms other than the healing peptides I've run.

[epix00]

Is mk-677 or bpc-157 considered a sarm? I don't know to much about Sarms other than the healing peptides I've run.

No they are not. Im not as knowledgeable about sarms either but I have done a little research. I have looked for the answer to my questions in many places and these are the protocols that are recommended (the 6 weeks and dont run on cycle), but I couldn't find a reason why. They just dont seem to make sense to me based on other information that makes them sound more appealing for these applications.

[Bouncer]

The reason why you wouldn't want to run on cycle is because they compete for the same androgen receptors that steroids do as you already know. If you don't buy into the theory there is only 1 thing to do.. Run a log with the intention of busting or proving that myth.

[Mr I]

The simple logic is most people save them for off. There's plenty of aas you can stack while on.

[TrapsBrah]

The simple logic is most people save them for off. There's plenty of aas you can stack while on.

True. Even then the side effects from s4 and ostarine make night driving impossible. It binds to receptors in your eyes. I wouldn't mess with those two. Mk677 is fine but it's a different sarm.

[Mr I]

^ True I remember that if S4 it did mess a little even at 50 mcg

[jack tors]

Is mk-677 or bpc-157 considered a sarm? I don't know to much about Sarms other than the healing peptides I've run.

Yes

[jack tors]

True. Even then the side effects from s4 and ostarine make night driving impossible. It binds to receptors in your eyes. I wouldn't mess with those two. Mk677 is fine but it's a different sarm.

S4 yes
Ostarine no

[Bouncer]

Yes

If that's the case I've never heard they shouldn't be run on cycle.

[epix00]

I appreciate all the feedback. I might have to run a log and see what this is all really about. Here is the way I see it:

You have 2 guys running 500 mg of test E a week. One guy wants to add a compound like deca to increase gains a little bit. We all know how effective that is. The other guy wants to add lets say Ostarine instead of a compound cause his blood pressure got higher on test and doesnt want to risk increasing it anymore but still wants a little more gains, but now the recommendation is not to because of a receptor site issue. It just doesnt make sense that the addition of deca wont cause a battle for receptor sites but ostarine would. UNLESS sarms have a greater affinity for binding to receptors than AAS. The thing is I cant find anything that states this in the literature. If that were true it would make perfect sense, so basically I'm trying to find out if this is the case or if it is just broscience saying not to.

The idea that it should just be saved for off cycle gains is almost the same as saying creatine should be saved for off cycle because you wanna save it for when you arent getting that extra help. (i know its not exactly the same, but you get my point)

The smaller cycle duration hasnt been addressed for sarms either. Does anyone know the answer to that one?

I understand that AAS are always going to be more effective than SARMS, but I just can't seem to find legitimate research that states it wouldn't be an added benefit to a cycle if stacked together. Instead I am just finding opinions and guesses. I probably will just have to try it and report back.

Any additional input would be greatly appreciated guys. Thanks for taking your time to participate.

[Bouncer]

Great point epix. I think as with anything there is some general bro science rules that go with these sorts of things because we are pretty much on the front line of testing these new drugs out.

Same sort of thing with mk-677 if you read my log. Part of the reason I ran the log is because of all these so called "rules" that I have found to be BS due to experimentation.

In the same way that steroid and supplement rules change over the years as we find better ways, so to will Sarm rules.

In order to change the rules though, you gotta test the rules. WTF you waiting for? :D

[epix00]

Great point epix. I think as with anything there is some general bro science rules that go with these sorts of things because we are pretty much on the front line of testing these new drugs out.

Same sort of thing with mk-677 if you read my log. Part of the reason I ran the log is because of all these so called "rules" that I have found to be BS due to experimentation.

In the same way that steroid and supplement rules change over the years as we find better ways, so to will Sarm rules.

In order to change the rules though, you gotta test the rules. WTF you waiting for? :D

Im pretty positive Im going to add SARMS into a cycle and see what happens. I started thinking about it when the supposed Branch Warren cycle was posted here and it said Ostarine was being used. I know that cycle was probably just made up, but it got me thinking if sarms could be a benefit to a cycle and not just used in place of AAS.

Im in tune with my body and how I respond to juice, so if I add sarms and see that my gains are anything less than I would normally see with just AAS then I know to cut them out. If my gains are greater or atleast the same then I will keep running them and see what happens.

I might wait until after this cycle because Im alternating compounds and running like 4 different things so it would be tough to determine what is affecting what. I will wait until Im just cruising on test or running test and one other compound.

Groundbreaking shit going on over here at SM!

[Bouncer]

If your midsection blows up and extremities shrivel up like branch you will know it was the ostarine that was the cause. Successful experiment! :D

[epix00]

If your midsection blows up and extremities shrivel up like branch you will know it was the ostarine that was the cause. Successful experiment! :D

I literally lol'd