deca and anger?

[chuckz28]

Is your trt protocol self prescribed or under a doctor? because a good endocrinologist should be able to dial you in and not have ups and downs while on trt.

[Bouncer]

Is your trt protocol self prescribed or under a doctor? because a good endocrinologist should be able to dial you in and not have ups and downs while on trt.

going by his post talking about "waiting for more trt" and estrogen blockers and deca I'd day he's trying to do it himself but doesn't understand the basics from the looks of it thus he's having all kinds of issues.

[helix139]

I'm under a urologist care who has me on 170 mg a week.



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[helix139]

Urologist doesn't use estrogen blockers unless "it gets out of range" as it has been in range since I started. Want to be on trt but don't want it too complicated.


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[Bouncer]

Problem is your test isn't high enough for the deca. IMO test dose needs to be at least 100mgs more per week compared to deca. So something like 300mgs per week test, 200mgs per week deca and .25mgs adex EOD would be something i think you'd like.

[helix139]

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[helix139]

Update: I have been off the deca for ~ 4 months, and have been suffering horrible left shoulder and left knee pain for the last 2 months. So much so that I got a mri of the knee and have taken 2 weeks from working out. I have never taken off that much time in 20 years and its been hard. Worse yet is the horrible shoulder pains. I've taken motrin daily and it doesn't help at all. I had basically come to the conclusion that I have screwed up my shoulder / knees from being on the deca and hitting it hard. (But I really didn't hit it hard at all...Never one rep sets...315 on bench for ~ 4 to 8 reps and 225 max on squat for 12). I thought "well this is middle age and it sucks but I'll give it some time and go back with higher reps."
Even have tried arimidex .5 mg a week x 2 as my last lab came back with e2 level of 37, thinking maybe its the high estrogen. (The test isn't back yet.)
Yesterday I told my wife that I'm tired of trying to fix this hormone nightmare and would just quit.
However, I did take a shot of testosterone yesterday (200mg) instead of my normal 150mg thinking maybe I was under dosed. I have been taking the prescribed dose for the past year no fail.
Well I woke up this am with about 80% no pain in my shoulders! Knee is about 50%. Attitude is spot on...confident...smart ass..morning wood... spring in my step...feeling GREAT!
SO what the hell? Was the old bottle of test bad? Was it the e2? How could I go from zero to hero overnight? I thought that 150 mg was the standard dose for trt. Does mine need to be higher? Is that safe?

[rado]

Update: I have been off the deca for ~ 4 months, and have been suffering horrible left shoulder and left knee pain for the last 2 months. So much so that I got a mri of the knee and have taken 2 weeks from working out. I have never taken off that much time in 20 years and its been hard. Worse yet is the horrible shoulder pains. I've taken motrin daily and it doesn't help at all. I had basically come to the conclusion that I have screwed up my shoulder / knees from being on the deca and hitting it hard. (But I really didn't hit it hard at all...Never one rep sets...315 on bench for ~ 4 to 8 reps and 225 max on squat for 12). I thought "well this is middle age and it sucks but I'll give it some time and go back with higher reps."
Even have tried arimidex .5 mg a week x 2 as my last lab came back with e2 level of 37, thinking maybe its the high estrogen. (The test isn't back yet.)
Yesterday I told my wife that I'm tired of trying to fix this hormone nightmare and would just quit.
However, I did take a shot of testosterone yesterday (200mg) instead of my normal 150mg thinking maybe I was under dosed. I have been taking the prescribed dose for the past year no fail.
Well I woke up this am with about 80% no pain in my shoulders! Knee is about 50%. Attitude is spot on...confident...smart ass..morning wood... spring in my step...feeling GREAT!
SO what the hell? Was the old bottle of test bad? Was it the e2? How could I go from zero to hero overnight? I thought that 150 mg was the standard dose for trt. Does mine need to be higher? Is that safe?

I would agree that the deca masked the issue, making you lift more and now since you don't have it, you're basically more fucked now than before.

Placebo is an amazing thing. To have a shot and overnight feel that way considering how you described yourself before, I can tell you it's not the test bump of 50mgs....1cc is standard for trt and it's usually every 21 days or so, some docs will vary this time.

i've been on(up until a week ago)test at 200mgs E7 or E10 days and it's been wonders.

i don't agree as some would suggest to take deca for joint issues or whatever it may be to help, it's just a band-aid and we all know what it feels like taking it off.

[rado]

when was the last time you had a FULL panel on your blood work done? You may want to get on that.

[Bouncer]

Actually agree with Rado here believe it or not. :D

50mgs difference overnight of test isn't going to do much of anything. That's placebo bro, all in your head.

As for the deca, while I agree that it masks pain and is not a cure, I'd rather be on it and feeling good rather then off it feeling like shit.

Also, don't raise adex too high. That alone can hurt the joints. If I were you I'd run 300mgs test e5d 200mgs deca e5d and .25mgs adex EOD.

For the next 2 weeks try 3 ibuprofen every 6 hours. Be consistent. Also, don't be afraid to take a little break from the gym. Another 2 weeks may be just what the doctor ordered.

Also, pay attention to my mk-677 log or consider gh. Shit does remarkable things for healing of joints, cartilage, and tendons.

Keep water intake high and increase healthy fats. Fish oil, avacados etc... Good for joints.

[rado]

Actually agree with Rado here believe it or not. :D

50mgs difference overnight of test isn't going to do much of anything. That's placebo bro, all in your head.

As for the deca, while I agree that it masks pain and is not a cure, I'd rather be on it and feeling good rather then off it feeling like shit.

Also, don't raise adex too high. That alone can hurt the joints. If I were you I'd run 300mgs test e5d 200mgs deca e5d and .25mgs adex EOD.

For the next 2 weeks try 3 ibuprofen every 6 hours. Be consistent. Also, don't be afraid to take a little break from the gym. Another 2 weeks may be just what the doctor ordered.

Also, pay attention to my mk-677 log or consider gh. Shit does remarkable things for healing of joints, cartilage, and tendons.

Keep water intake high and increase healthy fats. Fish oil, avacados etc... Good for joints.

sooner or later, they all give in;) you can't resist awesomeness bra, it's just not possible:grin:

[helix139]

Update: got steroid shot in knee and feels great. No pain. Shoulder 80%. I'm taking 1 mg anastrazole about every 10 days and it has obliterated my libido. I've never had such a low sex drive! This is unbelievable. Recent labs: test 750 e2 44. Can't recall others. Went on e2 blocker after lab results thinking my lethargy was from high estrogen.
Taking anastrazole is the worst fucking thing I've done. Still tired..no libido. Sleepy as fuck. No sleep apnea. No idea what it could be. Have looked at thyroid and all other labs and are all within normal.
Am going to new dr in December but until then I'm wondering why did I ever start trt in the first place.

[Bouncer]

Update: got steroid shot in knee and feels great. No pain. Shoulder 80%. I'm taking 1 mg anastrazole about every 10 days and it has obliterated my libido. I've never had such a low sex drive! This is unbelievable. Recent labs: test 750 e2 44. Can't recall others. Went on e2 blocker after lab results thinking my lethargy was from high estrogen.
Taking anastrazole is the worst fucking thing I've done. Still tired..no libido. Sleepy as fuck. No sleep apnea. No idea what it could be. Have looked at thyroid and all other labs and are all within normal.
Am going to new dr in December but until then I'm wondering why did I ever start trt in the first place.

Something else is wrong here. I take 300mgs test, 200mgs deca E5D and .25mgs adex eod and a light breeze has me tucking my dick in my pants.

Not sure why you'd take adex every 10 days. It's half life is 48 hours. 10 days will have your levels going up and down.

The goal should be to have controlled and balanced estro levels that's are not too high but not too low as either one can kill libido and healthy test levels.

[helix139]

Right now I'm on 200 mg split into 2 injections a week. I started taking the anastrazole once a week but that killed my sex drive right off the bat. Rare morning wood and exhausted all the time. Drink gallon water a day diet the same for 20 years. I have no idea why I'm so tired. I've done tons of searches and come up w tons of other guys w the same complaint. I thought the anastrazole would help but it made things horrible. I'm going to see a dr my buddy goes to although his dr wants to put him on adderal so he can loose weight! Wtf! Just am hoping someone else out there can help me.

[Bouncer]

Up your dose of test to 300mgs every 5 days and take low dose adex .25mgs eod. Like I said adex half life is 48 hours. Your estro levels will be up and down taken every 10 days.

Give it 2 weeks. You'll feel better guaranteed.