Traps PCT Thread

[TrapsBrah]

I've been off cycle for about 6 weeks now and it sucks. I've started to flatten out my shoulders are not as "full". I am still holding my strength though.

The clomid is horrible. I feel blank and empty. I'm not happy not sad just a complete absence of any emotion. It's hard to describe.

I really wanna hop back on but don't know how quickly I can since I was "on" for a good 10 months.

Pct is clomid and nolva. Some adex here and there. I'm adding in tribulis tomorrow which is supposed to boost natural test levels so that can't hurt even if it does jack.

My next cycle is gonna be test e/c, deca and dbol.

[chuckz28]

Hang in there you'll start feeling better. After my cycle I waited 4 weeks to start pct so my hpta levels were below the range needed to kick production back in. By the end of pct I was feeling better. I feel fine now a couple weeks after ending pct. Training isn't the same obviously but I feel good.

I'm getting blood work in about a month from now so the clomid has time to clear out and not skew my results. If I'm good then great! If I'm low then I'm going to get trt. I don't have the money to go back on cycle so I'm going to wait it out and heal my shoulder in the mean time but it will be nice to know what all my blood work looks like.

Btw the rule of thumb is time off = time on so for you that would mean 10 months off according to most people. To me if blood work says you're good then give it another few weeks and go back on if you wish. You just want to make sure your production kicks fully back in before you start again.

[FrankTheTank55]

To me if blood work says you're good then give it another few weeks and go back on if you wish. You just want to make sure your production kicks fully back in before you start again.

So make sure you natural production starts back up before you shut it down again??? Then why even come off?

[chuckz28]

So make sure you natural production starts back up before you shut it down again??? Then why even come off?

That's the point of pct. If you're going to pct then do it all the way and make sure you're natural production is operational otherwise may as well not come off and pct at all.

[FrankTheTank55]

That's the point of pct. If you're going to pct then do it all the way and make sure you're natural production is operational otherwise may as well not come off and pct at all.

Well telling him to hop back on as soon as his body starts production again doesnt make much sense to me. Why not just get back on now then?

[chuckz28]

Well as of now there is no way his htpa is restored. He seemed anxious to get back on and if he wants to keep the ability to fully recover then he needs to at a minimum fully recover between each cycle. His choice really. I follow the rule of thumb and I stay off as long as I stay on.

[Bouncer]

I'm conflicted here. We we've all heard "time on equals time off" in the same way that we all used to hear about "pyramiding" and the such..

i think if the goal is ultimate health chuck is correct.

if the goal is to be healthy but still make progress I think frank is correct.

my personal opinion based on experience is that by following the "time on equals time off rule is that you take to many steps back. I also think you set yourself up for a dangerous mental roller coaster ride.

IMO the happy medium is blast and cruise. change compounds up for different goals. so for example during the cruise phase you do just the minimal amount of test for health. Add in something like 200mgs per week of deca and gh or mk-677. Lower intensity in the gym during this period and allow the tendons, joints, and ligaments to relax a bit. hell, I'd even propose that we should all take at least 1 month off from the gym per year as tough as that may sound I think it's a really good thing for the body, cns, and mind.

[rado]

For me time on = time off...been doing that since I've cycled...so yes, when I complete my year long cycles, I do take 10 months to 12 months off.

For example right now it's been 15 or 16 months of being ON, but test by itself has been for half of the time being ON. I get blood work and physical done in the next coming weeks. I plan on coming off completely in January until Oct or Nov of 2017...so I'll be off again for about 10 months or so.

Being off I'll do my hcg then just maintain my weight and mind. It'll be tough, but I'm use to it.

[chuckz28]

Yeah I don't know his reasoning for pct. I assume it is to restore his production. If he was just coming off for health but not to restore production then take a month off and then go to low dose trt for a couple months before blasting again. That's all I'm saying is if you're going to pct then go all the way through with it and be healthy for a while. Otherwise don't even take pct meds.

[rado]

Many disagree of coming off completely and although it's nice always being ON, if you're not competitive or doing it for shows, meets...why not come off and refresh a bit.

Besides, I've seem many dudes being on all the time looking like a sack of shit. I think sometimes those dudes do more harm than good because so much shit they take, pills they pop and looking like spam

[chuckz28]

For me time on = time off...been doing that since I've cycled...so yes, when I complete my year long cycles, I do take 10 months to 12 months off.

For example right now it's been 15 or 16 months of being ON, but test by itself has been for half of the time being ON. I get blood work and physical done in the next coming weeks. I plan on coming off completely in January until Oct or Nov of 2017...so I'll be off again for about 10 months or so.

Being off I'll do my hcg then just maintain my weight and mind. It'll be tough, but I'm use to it.

Yeah the first month or two off all I can think about is going back on after that you feel good again and want to challenge yourself to see what you can do without gear. It isn't even a thought.

[rado]

Yeah the first month or two off all I can think about is going back on after that you feel good again and want to challenge yourself to see what you can do without gear. It isn't even a thought.

When I'm off, my main focus is maintaining, that's it. The mind tricks and feeling not as superior is a given, can't control that. What I can control is the weight loss/gain. ..that to me is more important than anything else.

My next goal is to hit 200 lbs as I have in the past but walk at 190/195 and keep in single numbers in bf%

Adding 10 lbs of lean muscle for me, that requires coming off, getting back to norm and starting over.

I like to tell myself that it's good to make the old engine run on its own without the help of race fuel.

In regards to always being on trt and never coming off...when that time comes, I'll worry about it then...but for now, I'll keep cycling off/on

[rado]

And another reason I come off, I'm not done having kids....right now I'd like to have one more and in the process of it....my son wants a sister and I want another one hopefully a healthy beautiful girl.

[jack tors]

you were on for a long time 40 week cycle... better to do 3 cycles a year vs the long one if you plan to come off.


its worse to come off and go right back on again. you might as well stayed on...

what did you run? any HCG?
How about using SARMS?

[TrapsBrah]

So make sure you natural production starts back up before you shut it down again??? Then why even come off?

To make recovery of hpta easier.