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  • ROCKETW19
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    1. The client may incorrectly use the dosage
    2. The client may use other medicines that may affect the IGF. I can not say what kind of medicine, but I'm sure that such exist.
    3. The laboratory can make a mistake. I myself personally faced with this in Russia. Although there may be fewer problems in the US, I do not know, but I admit this option.

    1) I agree but chad will not do this and if he did it would be very very slight. me and him give a 50 point slip either way for factors like this but not 150 thats off and improper dosed GH your just being nice.
    2) yes IGF this is why we test IGF you can not fake it you can not bump it anything dramatic like you can with serum the testing of IGF is by far the best for us as that is all we can do.
    3)in USA that would never happen and I think it cam happen on purpose more than accident in china.

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  • Bouncer
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    Originally posted by ROCKETW19 View Post
    this never happens with my cheap shitty ass water as select GH calls my GH mine NEVER test like his junk tough lmao sure is funny.
    if coming from a real hospital in china why are the instructions in fucking English? the website zero English? shady as fuck but like I said that sticker dont fool me long as it raises IGF thats all that maters as thats all I can test at the moment.
    also why spend all that money on packaging and skimp on the cap. they use a generic cap. even my ass water dont even use a generic cap. no real GH I have seen uses a generic cap.
    HGHLabz said it's used in Chinese hospitals bro, not select. Just to be clear.

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  • ROCKETW19
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    Originally posted by FrankTheTank55 View Post
    Chad, did you test your baseline before each test???

    You've been running hgh pretty much nonstop for a few months now right? So it's kinda hard to really know what is from what. The only way to compare the different kits would to be to come off of the growth in between each brand.
    LMAO. you see what I am saying chad.

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  • ROCKETW19
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    Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
    It's possible if the us pharma gh made its way to you through 3 different countries, mail carrier systems, sitting in warehouses, trucks, planes, going through customs, etc...

    Degredation of product through the circumstances of the journey.

    Select and HGHLabz get ansomone directly from anke Bio. That's what they both claim and I believe them. HGHLabz claim's ansomone is used in Chinese hospitals and I believe him on that also.

    I think if you test ansomeone from both supplier's it's very likely the results of the igf tests could swing back and forth in favor of either select or HGHLabz. One kit might test higher from select, the next kit test higher from HGHLabz. I think it's possible it comes down to the luck and randomness of the shipping situation between all those countries and such a journey. 1 kit could sit on a Chinese runway in the sun in the back of a 100 degree truck for hours and hours waiting to be loaded while the other kit gets loaded immediately. Then it has to land it Russia and make it's way to HGHLabz or select. Then it has to make it's way from Russia to you. It's impossible for us to know the circumstances when so many countries, and carriers are involved.

    I'm pretty sure when the ansomone kits leave the anke bio factory they are exactly the same.

    Select is on vacation but I've asked him his thoughts and he'll comment when he returns.
    this never happens with my cheap shitty ass water as select GH calls my GH mine NEVER test like his junk tough lmao sure is funny.
    if coming from a real hospital in china why are the instructions in fucking English? the website zero English? shady as fuck but like I said that sticker dont fool me long as it raises IGF thats all that maters as thats all I can test at the moment.
    also why spend all that money on packaging and skimp on the cap. they use a generic cap. even my ass water dont even use a generic cap. no real GH I have seen uses a generic cap.

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  • Bouncer
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    Originally posted by HGHLABZ.com View Post
    I believe that it is worth doing immediately, once you have received a new product from a new source. This is not a panacea, but it will show you something.
    If you bought a new product, then you can get inside the genuine 191aa, somatrem 192aa, peptide, HCG or empty vial (without the active substance inside). Then a blood serum test will show:

    1. Normal (within referral values). It can be a HCG, empty vial, a damaged hormone / somatrem... In this case you do not need to continue researching this product
    2. High (10-30 ng / ml). It can be a peptide, a genuine product, somatrem 192aa

    If you then do an IGF analysis, you can exclude the peptide, provided that you get the IGF higher than baseline value.

    I do not know how to distinguish between somatrem and genuine product on blood tests. Probably it is possible to make the analysis for antibodies to the growth hormone (when using somatrem, the level of antibodies can reach 40%, instead of 1% in the original hormone 191aa.)

    But I know for sure that this can be verified by measuring the molecular weight of the substance in the laboratory. I actually did this with my products.

    it's just my thoughts
    Yea serum is a very rough indicator. It can at least tell us the product has something in it. But it's igf that paints the much clearer picture.

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  • HGHLABZ.com
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    I believe that it is worth doing immediately, once you have received a new product from a new source. This is not a panacea, but it will show you something.
    If you bought a new product, then you can get inside the genuine 191aa, somatrem 192aa, peptide, HCG or empty vial (without the active substance inside). Then a blood serum test will show:

    1. Normal (within referral values). It can be a HCG, empty vial, a damaged hormone / somatrem... In this case you do not need to continue researching this product
    2. High (10-30 ng / ml). It can be a peptide, a genuine product, somatrem 192aa

    If you then do an IGF analysis, you can exclude the peptide, provided that you get the IGF higher than baseline value.

    I do not know how to distinguish between somatrem and genuine product on blood tests. Probably it is possible to make the analysis for antibodies to the growth hormone (when using somatrem, the level of antibodies can reach 40%, instead of 1% in the original hormone 191aa.)

    But I know for sure that this can be verified by measuring the molecular weight of the substance in the laboratory. I actually did this with my products.

    it's just my thoughts

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  • FrankTheTank55
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    Originally posted by HGHLABZ.com View Post
    I do not know how exactly Select works. But apparently, he works with the original product, this is the main thing for me. I draw a conclusion only from the information that I have and which he himself told me. Maybe I wrong.

    I can only speak for myself. I live near the border with China and have extensive experience in the delivery of various cargoes to Russia, including GH.

    *I hope Select's business will grow up and we will help each other to do PR for ansomon, because he has, in my opinion, the best price-quality ratio as pharm GH. My Ansomon was bought in Russia by the most top athletes and sports teams.

    About IGF. There are no exact same norms for this analysis, which can be applied to all people. This is very individual. There is a difference in the meanings of analysis of my product and Select, but what does it show? Only that the baseline level of the IGF has become significantly higher than the norm in both cases.
    I do not understand how we can judge here about the quality of the product itself or about the ui amount in vials.

    There may be several options that affect indirectly the quality of the product:
    1. Problems with storage on the way from Ankebio to the seller. Although Ankebio takes great care of this. (Thermal box, gel coolers, fast delivery to the warehouse inside China)
    2. Problems with storage from the seller. (Most sellers have a refrigerator for this). At this stage, there may be several intermediaries.
    3. Problems with storage on the way from the seller to the client. (Most sellers use fast delivery)
    4. Problems with storage at the end customer.

    Nevertheless, the lyophilizate of the hormone is much more resistant to temperature than its liquid version. I talked about this in my videos on my site.

    When you make IGF analysis, there are some factors that affect the result.

    1. The client may incorrectly use the dosage
    2. The client may use other medicines that may affect the IGF. I can not say what kind of medicine, but I'm sure that such exist.
    3. The laboratory can make a mistake. I myself personally faced with this in Russia. Although there may be fewer problems in the US, I do not know, but I admit this option.

    The best thing in my opinion is a test, this is a laboratory measurement of the molecular mass of a substance. (There can be no inaccuracies here)
    But not every client will do it.

    Ps sorry for my google-translate :whistle
    Would HGH serum test be a good way to check the potency since the test only gives you a reading from the hgh taken that day?

    Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

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  • HGHLABZ.com
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    Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
    Okay but that doesn't prove anything one way or another. Select could easily have "other ways" just the same as you.

    You basically just need a middle man in China to purchase from ankibio and than ship to you in Russia.

    I do not know how exactly Select works. But apparently, he works with the original product, this is the main thing for me. I draw a conclusion only from the information that I have and which he himself told me. Maybe I wrong.

    I can only speak for myself. I live near the border with China and have extensive experience in the delivery of various cargoes to Russia, including GH.

    *I hope Select's business will grow up and we will help each other to do PR for ansomon, because he has, in my opinion, the best price-quality ratio as pharm GH. My Ansomon was bought in Russia by the most top athletes and sports teams.

    About IGF. There are no exact same norms for this analysis, which can be applied to all people. This is very individual. There is a difference in the meanings of analysis of my product and Select, but what does it show? Only that the baseline level of the IGF has become significantly higher than the norm in both cases.
    I do not understand how we can judge here about the quality of the product itself or about the ui amount in vials.

    There may be several options that affect indirectly the quality of the product:
    1. Problems with storage on the way from Ankebio to the seller. Although Ankebio takes great care of this. (Thermal box, gel coolers, fast delivery to the warehouse inside China)
    2. Problems with storage from the seller. (Most sellers have a refrigerator for this). At this stage, there may be several intermediaries.
    3. Problems with storage on the way from the seller to the client. (Most sellers use fast delivery)
    4. Problems with storage at the end customer.

    Nevertheless, the lyophilizate of the hormone is much more resistant to temperature than its liquid version. I talked about this in my videos on my site.

    When you make IGF analysis, there are some factors that affect the result.

    1. The client may incorrectly use the dosage
    2. The client may use other medicines that may affect the IGF. I can not say what kind of medicine, but I'm sure that such exist.
    3. The laboratory can make a mistake. I myself personally faced with this in Russia. Although there may be fewer problems in the US, I do not know, but I admit this option.

    The best thing in my opinion is a test, this is a laboratory measurement of the molecular mass of a substance. (There can be no inaccuracies here)
    But not every client will do it.

    Ps sorry for my google-translate :whistle

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  • FrankTheTank55
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    Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
    Yea I don't think it's a problem with Chadds testing at all. I believe the results he got were correct.
    I was just curious if your baseline would be higher for the last test then it was for the first test if somebody has been running growth the whole time in between. Just asking

    Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

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  • Bouncer
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    Yea I don't think it's a problem with Chadds testing at all. I believe the results he got were correct.

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  • Chadd77
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    Originally posted by FrankTheTank55 View Post
    Chad, did you test your baseline before each test???

    You've been running hgh pretty much nonstop for a few months now right? So it's kinda hard to really know what is from what. The only way to compare the different kits would to be to come off of the growth in between each brand.
    My levels went up and down depending on the brand I was testing. Right before testing Selects my levels were at 650.

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  • FrankTheTank55
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    Chad, did you test your baseline before each test???

    You've been running hgh pretty much nonstop for a few months now right? So it's kinda hard to really know what is from what. The only way to compare the different kits would to be to come off of the growth in between each brand.

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  • Bouncer
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    Originally posted by HGHLABZ.com View Post
    Everyone can work with Ankebio directly. If you want buy ansomone wholesale ( 20k-30k $$$ ) , they wil say OK.
    But they cant make a legal wholesale supply outside of China. So you need use another ways .
    Okay but that doesn't prove anything one way or another. Select could easily have "other ways" just the same as you.

    You basically just need a middle man in China to purchase from ankibio and than ship to you in Russia.

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  • HGHLABZ.com
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    Everyone can work with Ankebio directly. If you want buy ansomone wholesale ( 20k-30k $$$ ) , they wil say OK.
    But they cant make a legal wholesale supply outside of China. So you need use another ways .

    Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
    Ask HGHLabz himself. The security measures on the kits are very hard to fake. If we are assuming that ankebio is a real company and if we are assuming that HGHlabz work with them directly we must also assume that select has the real deal as their ansomone kits also have the security measures that can be verified with the ankebio site. The first thing HGHLabz told me to do when he sent me GH was to check the security codes on the site.

    Yes, we both know that stickers and websites can be faked. I only bring it up IF we are assuming ankebio is a real company and HGHLabz works directly with them like your last post implies. Why would ankebio work with some people directly and not others? Both HGHLabz and select are new startups in Russia. If ankebio is willing to work with hghlabz they'd also work with select. They came from the same place bro. I'm 99% sure and I'd bet there is some way to prove it. I'm sure they both have paper work from ankebio etc..

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  • Chadd77
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    Again, just saying what he told me. I don't have any more info then that.

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