Nandrolone Only cycle (no testosterone) discussed.

[Androman]

exactly. i often wonder about arnold and those guys who ran deca dbol primo cycles. i bet they struggled to get it up. they didnt realize they were shutting down their natty test levels back then.



and its not like they didnt have testosterone. they did. testosterone has been available since the late 1950's i believe. the problem is they had nothing like nolvadex or adex to prevent sides so they stayed away from it. some people take that as "oh that means test is bad". nope. if arnold had adex available he would have been on test without doubt.

If Arnold had adex and was on testosterone he would've been bigger than what he was


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[jolter604]

Hey Jolter now your cycle going.. any updates pics?

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Not yet I'm waiting a little bit more.

[jack tors]

i know guys for what ever reason did it with deca and others who did with tren = permanent dick issues
there eating cialis pills like tic tacs

[Bouncer]

i know guys for what ever reason did it with deca and others who did with tren = permanent dick issues
there eating cialis pills like tic tacs

Well not permanent. They could always go on test and be back in the game. Or are you saying even that don't work for them?

[AENERGY]

A lot of guys over at gh15 are debating and experimenting with deca only.I myself gave it a whirl and yes it does work..there seems to be some action that supports a libido...I know it's crazy but it worked.One has been saying the deca aromatizes enough to support sexual functions.On the other hand can't be healthy even if it does work as our body's need test for many functions.

[Bouncer]

A lot of guys over at gh15 are debating and experimenting with deca only.I myself gave it a whirl and yes it does work..there seems to be some action that supports a libido...I know it's crazy but it worked.One has been saying the deca aromatizes enough to support sexual functions.On the other hand can't be healthy even if it does work as our body's need test for many functions.

Was is it a strong sex drive compared to test or was it just sort of average. How was your mental state? I can't believe you'd feel good with no test levels.

[Chicken]

Well this may not be well rdcieved, and maby I'm just different ( but i am not, I am just different than some beacuse I Tryed something different and did well with it) I have ran multiple low dose test with hi dose deca cycles and have had no problems with wood. I never go over 300 migs of t and usually I run a real TRT dose say 170 with any compoumd or multiple compounds. I am recently off of a test p at 140 migs with mast and tren at 350 each a week which I was on for 13 weeks and am now on a deca front load week at 600 migs and test e at 125 migs tball at 30 a day, first shot five days ago and got bussy 3 times yday.
In the past, multiple times, I have ran a TRT dose of test 120 to 200 migs with deca any where from 300 to 600 a week for way to long and mixed with other androgens. The reason I run low t with everything is I rarely have to use anceleries with t being low. I also have fewer sides w/o so much test. But most of all MY DICK WORKS. When i get all the benifits of growth why should i use so much test. I too was one that used a lot of test when I first started and I ate nolva and anastrazol like m&ms to try to control a ton of estrogen. I belived the hi test hype (some do need hi test)and I belived what every one else said and when I finally got tired of fighting estrogen during a cycle( I can't rember what cycle or how long ago ,years?) I just slimmed up on the test mid cycle. I figured what was the worst that could happen, just a pin and wait a few days for release of test from esther? Next thing I knew my cycles were like crusing, almost no anceleries, more cost efficient, test lasts for ever now, little acne, no soar tits and all the muscle growth.
Most of the negative shit that comes in a cycle comes with test or other androgens aromitizing in to estrogen ( th sides we can feel), save some tren shit and a few other things and a few other androgens. Let's take tren, night swets, tren cough, hi blood pressure, for some a crappy temper , the oppisite 4 me temper more even, these things belong to tren and remotely VERRY REMOTE prolactin driven gyno but find a person with blood work saying there prolactin is high, it is ALMOST undoable (u r probably searching the entire Internet right now). I have never personaly seen blood work with high prolactin it is estrogen driven gyno from just 350 migs of test that men buy caber to control (almost all the time) its a mistake by the idea that I'm taking a anastrazol every day now and I still have gyno symptoms IT MUST BE PROLACTION. C what fellows don't understand is when one drives test up ones body drives estrogen up, we get that so we bind it up/ make it inactive well our body says screw that not enouph estrogen, beacuse our body's have a test to estrogen ratio and it will not stop converting aromitizing androgens into estrogen untill the ratio is fulfilled , it just makes more and more and more estrogen. During this time we r building a tolerance to our anti e. No matter if u crash ur estrogen ur body is still producing estrogen as fast as it can according to the amount of test or other aromitizing androgens u have in ur system. And it will only be held down so long as enouph anti-e drug in ur system is present to over come NEW PRODUCTION. Even suicidal inhibitors can't bind what is newly produced over the amount of drug in one's system. Back 2 tren, I think the crazy dreams r great, the night swets suck, cough sux, blood pressure sux but is controlable, and I love it cause tren makes my dick king, sex is great. But none of the negatives from tren are as bad as thinking ur growing tits, or growing tits, or things /masts growing in in ur tits, or fighting it, just my openion, or holding a bunch of water, moon faced or heart damage from holding to much water all from 2 much estrogen.
Now deca, aromitizes at one fifth the rate of test (or so) so I can run 500 migs of deca on on 170 migs of test beacuse I can run exactly 300 migs of test e with no gyno symptoms (just my body) but when I go from 300 to 330 gyno symptoms ALL OF THEM AND HARD. Deca is shown in medical literature to replace all normal bodily functions I have just not been brave enouph to try it stand alone BEACUSE I LIKE SEX, BUT I'M SURE GLAD I TRYED IT WITH A TRT DOSE OF TEST beacuse my life is more comfortable beacuse exogenous androgens are part of my life and beacuse it works 4 me. May not 4 u???? Works 4 me.
I guess what I'm trying to say is if one belives it is rong does not make it rong, beacuse the status quo says no, maby one should try? After all if we had belived the after school specals and did what the status quo said ( don't do steroids THERE DANGEROUS ) none of us would be on this sight. Think about all the people that would look at u different if u told them what u do, many would say it's wrong. IS IT? R U FUCKING SURE? DID U FUCKING TRY IT?????? OR R U JUST DOING WHAT SOMEONE ELSE TOLD U, AGAN? Lastly I'm am not suggesting any one use any drug by it self or with another period.

[Bouncer]

Well this may not be well rdcieved, and maby I'm just different ( but i am not, I am just different than some beacuse I Tryed something different and did well with it) I have ran multiple low dose test with hi dose deca cycles and have had no problems with wood. I never go over 300 migs of t and usually I run a real TRT dose say 170 with any compoumd or multiple compounds. I am recently off of a test p at 140 migs with mast and tren at 350 each a week which I was on for 13 weeks and am now on a deca front load week at 600 migs and test e at 125 migs tball at 30 a day, first shot five days ago and got bussy 3 times yday.
In the past, multiple times, I have ran a TRT dose of test 120 to 200 migs with deca any where from 300 to 600 a week for way to long and mixed with other androgens. The reason I run low t with everything is I rarely have to use anceleries with t being low. I also have fewer sides w/o so much test. But most of all MY DICK WORKS. When i get all the benifits of growth why should i use so much test. I too was one that used a lot of test when I first started and I ate nolva and anastrazol like m&ms to try to control a ton of estrogen. I belived the hi test hype (some do need hi test)and I belived what every one else said and when I finally got tired of fighting estrogen during a cycle( I can't rember what cycle or how long ago ,years?) I just slimmed up on the test mid cycle. I figured what was the worst that could happen, just a pin and wait a few days for release of test from esther? Next thing I knew my cycles were like crusing, almost no anceleries, more cost efficient, test lasts for ever now, little acne, no soar tits and all the muscle growth.
Most of the negative shit that comes in a cycle comes with test or other androgens aromitizing in to estrogen ( th sides we can feel), save some tren shit and a few other things and a few other androgens. Let's take tren, night swets, tren cough, hi blood pressure, for some a crappy temper , the oppisite 4 me temper more even, these things belong to tren and remotely VERRY REMOTE prolactin driven gyno but find a person with blood work saying there prolactin is high, it is ALMOST undoable (u r probably searching the entire Internet right now). I have never personaly seen blood work with high prolactin it is estrogen driven gyno from just 350 migs of test that men buy caber to control (almost all the time) its a mistake by the idea that I'm taking a anastrazol every day now and I still have gyno symptoms IT MUST BE PROLACTION. C what fellows don't understand is when one drives test up ones body drives estrogen up, we get that so we bind it up/ make it inactive well our body says screw that not enouph estrogen, beacuse our body's have a test to estrogen ratio and it will not stop converting aromitizing androgens into estrogen untill the ratio is fulfilled , it just makes more and more and more estrogen. During this time we r building a tolerance to our anti e. No matter if u crash ur estrogen ur body is still producing estrogen as fast as it can according to the amount of test or other aromitizing androgens u have in ur system. And it will only be held down so long as enouph anti-e drug in ur system is present to over come NEW PRODUCTION. Even suicidal inhibitors can't bind what is newly produced over the amount of drug in one's system. Back 2 tren, I think the crazy dreams r great, the night swets suck, cough sux, blood pressure sux but is controlable, and I love it cause tren makes my dick king, sex is great. But none of the negatives from tren are as bad as thinking ur growing tits, or growing tits, or things /masts growing in in ur tits, or fighting it, just my openion, or holding a bunch of water, moon faced or heart damage from holding to much water all from 2 much estrogen.
Now deca, aromitizes at one fifth the rate of test (or so) so I can run 500 migs of deca on on 170 migs of test beacuse I can run exactly 300 migs of test e with no gyno symptoms (just my body) but when I go from 300 to 330 gyno symptoms ALL OF THEM AND HARD. Deca is shown in medical literature to replace all normal bodily functions I have just not been brave enouph to try it stand alone BEACUSE I LIKE SEX, BUT I'M SURE GLAD I TRYED IT WITH A TRT DOSE OF TEST beacuse my life is more comfortable beacuse exogenous androgens are part of my life and beacuse it works 4 me. May not 4 u???? Works 4 me.
I guess what I'm trying to say is if one belives it is rong does not make it rong, beacuse the status quo says no, maby one should try? After all if we had belived the after school specals and did what the status quo said ( don't do steroids THERE DANGEROUS ) none of us would be on this sight. Think about all the people that would look at u different if u told them what u do, many would say it's wrong. IS IT? R U FUCKING SURE? DID U FUCKING TRY IT?????? OR R U JUST DOING WHAT SOMEONE ELSE TOLD U, AGAN? Lastly I'm am not suggesting any one use any drug by it self or with another period.

Long but good post. I may try lowering test and upping deca this winter as an experiment.

[lipripper]

Chicken....Great 1st post.great perspective. Welcome!

[BowHunter]

The thing is, test aromatizes to estradiol via the aromatase enzyme. without the enzyme, it doesn't matter what your test levels are; no estrogen. a-dex, aromasin, and letro are all aromatase inhibitors and very effective ones. It's possible that one could become habituated to a-dex, for example. Perhaps production of aromatase is upgraded or something so higher and higher dosages are necessary to achieve the same percentage of inhibition.

Of course, nandrolone has some estrogenic activity on it's own and does aromatize to estradiol probably by a different mechanism that doesn't involve aromatase. I doubt ar-inhibitors would have any effect on estradiol from nandrolone.

[Bouncer]

The thing is, test aromatizes to estradiol via the aromatase enzyme. without the enzyme, it doesn't matter what your test levels are; no estrogen. a-dex, aromasin, and letro are all aromatase inhibitors and very effective ones. It's possible that one could become habituated to a-dex, for example. Perhaps production of aromatase is upgraded or something so higher and higher dosages are necessary to achieve the same percentage of inhibition.

Of course, nandrolone has some estrogenic activity on it's own and does aromatize to estradiol probably by a different mechanism that doesn't involve aromatase. I doubt ar-inhibitors would have any effect on estradiol from nandrolone.

You say "probably by a different mechanism". Do you have proof that deca aromatizes to estro via a different pathway then test?

[Androman]

Long but good post. I may try lowering test and upping deca this winter as an experiment.

Yes I'm actually thinking of doing this right now
But I'm scared because I don't want deca dick or something crazy to happen like bloat more or get crazy nip sides. My mind is going back n forth I have a bunch of Test


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[Bouncer]

DECA CYCLE : PART 2 : DOSING PROTOCOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC7_SY7Q9Vs

[Bouncer]

trevor still hasnt commented on this. only tony and the fag on the phone. pretty sure trevor advocates a base level of test with deca cycles.

[Bouncer]

DECA CYCLE : PART 2 : DOSING PROTOCOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC7_SY7Q9Vs

the guy on the phone just told tony to run 2000mgs deca only per week. does anyone have a pic of this guy?

anyone else think the dude on the phone is talking out his ass?