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dude on the phone says deca is almost twice as anabolic as NPP...
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dude says libido will be through the roof. lmao. this guy on the phone has to be trolling tony.Comment
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No, no proof. I am hypothesizing based on my own chemical knowledge. Most enzymes are very selective or even specific for substrate shape. The methyl group in test is necessary for tight binding to the enzyme's active site. That has been shown in binding studies.Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
Nandrolone may still bind but if it does, it is with a much weaker binding constant. Also, chemically, it is much easier to oxidize nandrolone with a H atom in that position then it is testosterone with a methyl group in that position. Without the methyl group, a CYP enzyme in the liver could likely oxidize nandrolone to give estradiol.Comment
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OK, that doesn't make any sense. They are both nandrolone. There isn't that much difference in the weight of the esters. NPP has a lighter ester so you get a LITTLE more nandrolone per mg then with deca but no way is it twice as anabolic.Originally posted by Bouncer View PostComment
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no idea what you just said but if there is no medical literature that says deca aromatizes differently into estrogen from test then i dont see how you can make this claim. deca isnt a new drug and its been studied extensively. why would there be nothing in the literature about this going back the 60 years or more that deca has been studied?Originally posted by BowHunter View Post
I think what you're really doing is trying to explain away progesterones ability to cause gyno because you don't believe in it so you're coming up with a theory that would explain why adex doesn't take care of gyno caused by deca by saying "oh well the reason an AI doesn't work is because estrogen from deca doesn't use the aromatise pathway".
I call bs brother. Any steroid that converts in any way to estrogen uses the aromatise pathway. If an AI isn't working to prevent gyno that means the steroid is converting or raising levels of something else ie progesterone...Comment
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he says deca causes nitrogen retention at almost double the rate of npp thus its almost twice as anabolic. lolOriginally posted by BowHunter View PostComment
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Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
Have you ever heard that supposedly longer esters are more anabolic than short? I'd have to find this but I read this somewhere.
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Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
Esters, much more than half lifes by Anthony Roberts.
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its usually the opposite. short esters means slightly more hormone. not enough to really notice in daily life but slightly more all the same.Originally posted by Androman View PostComment
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I googled nandralone only cycle and this came up
Week
Deca Durabolin
Dianabol
Primobolan
1
200 mgs per week
60 mgs per day
600 mgs per week
2
200 mgs per week
60 mgs per day
600 mgs per week
3
200 mgs per week
60 mgs per day
700 mgs per week
4
200 mgs per week
60 mgs per day
700 mgs per week
5
300 mgs per week
80 mgs per day
800 mgs per week
6
300 mgs per week
80 mgs per day
800 mgs per week
7
300 mgs per week
80 mgs per day
800 mgs per week
8
300 mgs per week
80 mgs per day
800 mgs per week
9
400 mgs per week
100 mgs per day
800 mgs per week
10
400 mgs per week
100 mgs per day
800 mgs per week
11
400 mgs per week
100 mgs per day
800 mgs per week
12
400 mgs per week
100 mgs per day
800 mgs per week
13
400 mgs per week
100 mgs per day
800 mgs per week
14
400 mgs per week
100 mgs per day
800 mgs per week
15
300 mgs per week
80 mgs per day
700 mgs per week
16
300 mgs per week
80 mgs per day
700 mgs per week
17
200 mgs per week
60 mgs per day
600 mgs per week
18
200 mgs per week
60 mgs per day
600 mgs per week
As we can see, bodybuilders of 1960’s and 70’s considered that the best way of controlling and preventing side effects was the pyramiding, which we now know is completely useless. Neither were they completely aware of the stress inflicted on the liver by such*oral steroids as Dianabol, so little attention was given to liver supporting supplements. Another thing that may strike some readers, is that just like all the bodybuilders of his time, Arnold did not use anti-estrogens because it was believed that with moderate dosages of steroids estrogen related problems could be avoided. Interestingly, this might be the main reason steroids were not as heavily abused in the golden era of bodybuilding.
As mentioned above, most probably Arnold Schwarzenegger did not run proper PCT’s, and would instead opt for bridges, and this is how they looked like:
Week
Primobolan
Dianabol
1
200 mgs per week
30 mgs per day
2
200 mgs per week
30 mgs per day
3
200 mgs per week
40 mgs per day
4
200 mgs per week
40 mgs per day
5
200 mgs per week
30 mgs per day
6
200 mgs per week
30 mgs per day
Then after the bridge the main cycle would be repeated.
However, Arnold’s cycles would look considerably different with the compounds and knowledge available at this moment, and due to the greater variety of compounds, he would be able to run cutting and bulking cycles separately. This is how it would look like today:
Bulking
Week
Testosterone Enanthate
Deca Durabolin
Dianabol
Aromasin
1
600 mgs per week
800 mgs per week
80 mgs per day
12.5 mgs every other day
2
600 mgs per week
800 mgs per week
80 mgs per day
12.5 mgs every other day
3
600 mgs per week
800 mgs per week
80 mgs per day
12.5 mgs every other day
4
600 mgs per week
800 mgs per week
80 mgs per day
12.5 mgs every other day
5
600 mgs per week
800 mgs per week
80 mgs per day
12.5 mgs every other day
6
600 mgs per week
800 mgs per week
80 mgs per day
12.5 mgs every other day
7
600 mgs per week
800 mgs per week
12.5 mgs every other day
8
600 mgs per week
800 mgs per week
12.5 mgs every other day
9
600 mgs per week
800 mgs per week
12.5 mgs every other day
10
600 mgs per week
800 mgs per week
12.5 mgs every other day
11
600 mgs per week
800 mgs per week
12.5 mgs every other day
12
600 mgs per week
800 mgs per week
12.5 mgs every other day
13
600 mgs per week
800 mgs per week
80 mgs per day
12.5 mgs every other day
14
600 mgs per week
800 mgs per week
80 mgs per day
12.5 mgs every other day
15
600 mgs per week
800 mgs per week
80 mgs per day
12.5 mgs every other day
16
600 mgs per week
800 mgs per week
80 mgs per day
12.5 mgs every other day
Cutting
Week
Testosterone enanthate
Primobolan
Anavar
Trenbolone enanthate
Aromasin
Dostinex
Cardarine GW-501516
1
400 mgs per week
600 mgs per week
50 mgs per day
400 mgs per week
10 mgs every day
0.5 mgs per week
12.5 mgs per day
2
400 mgs per week
600 mgs per week
50 mgs per day
400 mgs per week
10 mgs every day
0.5 mgs per week
12.5 mgs per day
3
400 mgs per week
600 mgs per week
50 mgs per day
400 mgs per week
10 mgs every day
0.5 mgs per week
12.5 mgs per day
4
400 mgs per week
600 mgs per week
50 mgs per day
400 mgs per week
10 mgs every day
0.5 mgs per week
12.5 mgs per day
5
400 mgs per week
600 mgs per week
50 mgs per day
400 mgs per week
10 mgs every day
0.5 mgs per week
12.5 mgs per day
6
400 mgs per week
600 mgs per week
50 mgs per day
400 mgs per week
10 mgs every day
0.5 mgs per week
12.5 mgs per day
7
400 mgs per week
600 mgs per week
400 mgs per week
10 mgs every day
0.5 mgs per week
12.5 mgs per day
8
400 mgs per week
600 mgs per week
400 mgs per week
10 mgs every day
0.5 mgs per week
12.5 mgs per day
9
400 mgs per week
600 mgs per week
400 mgs per week
10 mgs every day
0.5 mgs per week
12.5 mgs per day
10
400 mgs per week
600 mgs per week
400 mgs per week
10 mgs every day
0.5 mgs per week
12.5 mgs per dayComment
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I could not get on the link posted above but the reason long esters are more anabolic than short is beacuse higher blood level concentrations can be achieved over time. Think about half lifves of esthers let's take tren ace and enth 4 example. Ace half life's in 2 days, if one pins every day any amaount (make one up) after a period of time about 15 days,or so, a steady blood level is achieved beacuse the drug is being broken down and replinished at a steady rate on the other hand tren enth at the same amount halfs in about 7 days so at the same amaount (as the ace was pined) one injects enth, 7 days later half the enth remains plus the current aamaount, 14 days later shot three 25% of day 0 shot( still there) 50% of day 7 shot(still ther) and all of day 14 shot, and on and on. It's a mathematical equation. Think of 2 planes taking off one rises to 10 feet and the other goes to 30 thousand feet, if one looked at esther release on a graph the 2 rising lines (planes) would represent blood saturation over time. The longer the esther the higher (and more comfortably) one can achieve higher blood level concentrations of androgens. More is more anabolic.Comment
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I could not get on the link posted above but the reason long esters are more anabolic than short is beacuse higher blood level concentrations can be achieved over time. Think about half lifves of esthers let's take tren ace and enth 4 example. Ace half life's in 2 days, if one pins every day any amaount (make one up) after a period of time about 15 days,or so, a steady blood level is achieved beacuse the drug is being broken down and replinished at a steady rate on the other hand tren enth at the same amount halfs in about 7 days so at the same amaount (as the ace was pined) one injects enth, 7 days later half the enth remains plus the current aamaount, 14 days later shot three 25% of day 0 shot( still there) 50% of day 7 shot(still ther) and all of day 14 shot, and on and on. It's a mathematical equation. Think of 2 planes taking off one rises to 10 feet and the other goes to 30 thousand feet, if one looked at esther release on a graph the 2 rising lines (planes) would represent blood saturation over time. The longer the esther the higher (and more comfortably) one can achieve higher blood level concentrations of androgens. More is more anabolic.Comment
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Sorry for posting twiceComment
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I know someone is going to throw ester weight and actual amount of product back at me. The difference in more product in short esters is over come in time with long esters as described above. But don't those short esters hit hard!Comment
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The two planes, I ment 10000 and 30000 feet.Originally posted by Chicken View Post
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