Nandrolone Only cycle (no testosterone) discussed.

[BowHunter]

I tried to edit the spacing but it didn't work. 3 columns of numbers: first column is week number (or more accurately, shot number), 2nd column is mgs of deca present, 3rd column is mgs of test present. So, at 15 weeks (or on the 15th shot), you have 718.0 mgs deca and 1199.4 mgs test cyp.

[Bouncer]

So, at 15 weeks (or on the 15th shot), you have 718.0 mgs deca and 1199.4 mgs test cyp.

and 15 weeks is when its maxed out correct, it stops climbing at that point?

very interesting. thanks brother

[BowHunter]

Bow hunter I enjoyed reading the article you posted, it was good food 4 thought. I'm not sure what u would like one 2 gather from it? Every one is different in regards to androgen receptor density in tissue with various degrees of differentiation in different tissue throughout our body's. The complexity of which androgens are broken down, distributed and utilized in the body is not fully understood and information reguarding such is often conflicting and unreliable at best which is made apparent in the article above. I personally do read a tremendous amount about androgens, I enjoy it thoroughly but I allways find my self falling back on my personal experence as the best teacher. There is so much I do not understand about androgens and will never although I do know they all come with risks some r evident some obscure, from my experience nandrolone is a solid steroid with little apparent sides 4 me. I am extremely gyno prone, I can lick a Dball and bam estro, but can run 600 migs of deca with low test and nothing but grow. I used roids that were hard and would describe nandralon as a easy cycle which yields excellent returns but that is just my openion. Best too u BowHunter.

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You are absolutely right about individuality. I wasn't trying to contradict you. I was posting in response to Bouncer (rightfully)poointing out that I didn't cite any articles to support my position that deca may aromatize via a different pathway, that it does show estrogenic activity, and the fact that progesterone doesn't cause gyno in the absense of estrogen.

[BowHunter]

and 15 weeks is when its maxed out correct, it stops climbing at that point?

very interesting. thanks brother

It depends on where you define maxed out. Test cyp just reached the point where there was no functional difference between the concentrations of the last 2 shots (less than 1 mg different). Deca was a bit slower with its longer half life and the last 2 shots were different by a couple mgs. By absolute numbers, deca would continue to accumulate by 1 or 2 mgs a week for another couple weeks. If you are talking practical numbers, deca was pretty stable by 10 or 11 weeks and test cyp by 7 or 8 weeks.

[Bouncer]

It depends on where you define maxed out. Test cyp just reached the point where there was no functional difference between the concentrations of the last 2 shots (less than 1 mg different). Deca was a bit slower with its longer half life and the last 2 shots were different by a couple mgs. By absolute numbers, deca would continue to accumulate by 1 or 2 mgs a week for another couple weeks. If you are talking practical numbers, deca was pretty stable by 10 or 11 weeks and test cyp by 7 or 8 weeks.

just to keep it simple. a cycle of 500mgs test C and 200mgs of Deca per week actually turns out to be roughly 1200 mgs test cyp and 720 mgs deca per week because of the ester. interesting. this isn't talked about enough. people know about esters but they dont know how much they are actually taking. when someone says "oh im running a gram a week of test c" they are actually taking a shit load more than that.

[BowHunter]

Yup!!

[AvidFisherman]

I came across an online calculator that would do the calculations for you and give you a graph. Lets see if I can find it again.

Edit: never mind, I found it but it doesn't do what you all are talking about here.

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[boricuarage79]

But the problem is you are not actually getting 500mgs of test or whatever other compound... per 100mgs is about 80mgs per injection once the Ester is released

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[Bouncer]

But the problem is you are not actually getting 500mgs of test or whatever other compound... per 100mgs is about 80mgs per injection once the Ester is released

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yea thats true but it still continues to build up in the system even if some of the mgs are just ester.

[BowHunter]

This should impact the decision of when to start PCT too. I did another calc based on 300 mgs deca + 100 mgs test E (8 day half life).

Most people start 2 weeks after the last shot of deca. At that point, with the above numbers, there is still 565 mgs deca + 65 mgs test E in the body. HPTA is not going to start coming back online with that much AAS in the system. Probably should continue the test shots at a reduced dose of say 50 mgs ew for about 7 weeks after the last shot of deca. Now there is 112 mgs deca and 111 mgs of test still present. Take a shot of HCG for the next 2 weeks and then start the nolva for 4 to 6 weeks.

[Chicken]

But the problem is you are not actually getting 500mgs of test or whatever other compound... per 100mgs is about 80mgs per injection once the Ester is released

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Test enth about 52% is test esther weight is about 48%, test prop 72% is test 28% esther. Test c 49%test 51 %esther. Off the top of my head but it's really close.

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[boricuarage79]

Test enth about 52% is test esther weight is about 48%, test prop 72% is test 28% esther. Test c 49%test 51 %esther. Off the top of my head but it's really close.

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I give you a easier break down..

Boldenone base: 100mg

Boldenone acetate: 83mg

Boldenone Propionate : 80mg

Boldenone Cypionate : 69mg

Boldenone Undecylenate: 61mg

Clostebol Base: 100mg

Clostebol Acetate: 84mg

Clostebol Enanthate : 72mg

Drostanolone Base: 100mg

Drostanolone Propionate: 80mg

Drostanolone Enanthate: 71mg

Methenolone Base: 100mg

Methenolone Acetate: 82mg

Nandrolone Base: 100mg

Nandrolone Cypionate: 69mg

Nandrolone Phenylpropionate: 63mg

Nandrolone Decanoate: 62mg

Nandrolone Undecylenate: 60mg

Nandrolone Laurate: 56mg

Stenbolone Base: 100mg

Stenbolone Acetate: 84mg

Testosterone Base: 100mg

Testosterone Acetate: 83mg

Testosterone Propionate : 80mg

Testosterone Isocaproate: 72mg

Testosterone Enanthate : 70mg

Testosterone Cypionate : 69mg

Testosterone Phenylpropionate: 66mg

Testosterone Decanoate: 62mg

Testosterone Undecanoate: 61mg

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[boricuarage79]

Trenbolone Base: 100mg

Trenbolone Acetate: 83mg

Trenbolone Enanthate: 68mg

Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzyl Carbonate: 65mg*

Trenbolone cyclohexylmethylcarbonate: 65mg*

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[Chicken]

Try it bro. Before you do tell your girl to get used to playing with herself because not only will you not be able to get it up but you won't even have any interest in even trying to get it up.

Steroids shut down your natural test levels. This is backed by 290,000,000 studies. lol. So when you run deca alone you are completely shutting down your testosterone as you know. There is no getting around this.

You will be a lactating, limp dick, progesterone mess within a months time. I absolutely gaurentee it. Tony knows that's the case. He's just looking for clicks. His guy Trevor always tells him you need test as a base. Trevor knows his shit. But we are supposed to listen to some jackass on a phone who probably looks like a sack of shit.

The asshole on the phone keeps saying that's all they used in the 60's and 70's. Yea? Well to that I say guys from the 80's, 90's, and 00's were bigger and better and they used TEST! Ask Lee Haney, Dorian Yates, flex wheeler, Kevin levrone, Coleman if they ever did a fucken deca only cycle. Lol.

Hgh was hard to come by untill the early 90 the only kind of hgh one could get befor ABOUT 1985 was what was extracted from dead people and it sometimes came with a virus that killed a presentage of people that used it. The first recorded use of inslun in body building was about 1990 I think 1991 exactly, these two items account for the progression of the current mass monsters of 2day. Slin is second only 2 food in anibolic building. It's the most powerful exogenous agent in body building, could u Imagen if Arnold, Surge Newbert or many of the old greats had been able to use it.

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[Chicken]

I give you a easier break down..

Boldenone base: 100mg

Boldenone acetate: 83mg

Boldenone Propionate : 80mg

Boldenone Cypionate : 69mg

Boldenone Undecylenate: 61mg

Clostebol Base: 100mg

Clostebol Acetate: 84mg

Clostebol Enanthate : 72mg

Drostanolone Base: 100mg

Drostanolone Propionate: 80mg

Drostanolone Enanthate: 71mg

Methenolone Base: 100mg

Methenolone Acetate: 82mg

Nandrolone Base: 100mg

Nandrolone Cypionate: 69mg

Nandrolone Phenylpropionate: 63mg

Nandrolone Decanoate: 62mg

Nandrolone Undecylenate: 60mg

Nandrolone Laurate: 56mg

Stenbolone Base: 100mg

Stenbolone Acetate: 84mg

Testosterone Base: 100mg

Testosterone Acetate: 83mg

Testosterone Propionate : 80mg

Testosterone Isocaproate: 72mg

Testosterone Enanthate : 70mg

Testosterone Cypionate : 69mg

Testosterone Phenylpropionate: 66mg

Testosterone Decanoate: 62mg

Testosterone Undecanoate: 61mg

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Thanks so much.

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