arimidex and strength gains.....

[LARGELI]

lately (the last couple years) i keep seeing more and more people incorporating adex into their cycles. I assume to minimize sides such as h2o/fat retention. my question is how much does your strength gains suffer when you take out the h2o retention of a bulking/strength cycle?
i mean part of the reason your strength shoots up when on a heavy adrogen cycle is because your muscles are holding more water right? so if your diet is clean enough to fight off the fat retention aspect why would you want to use adex durring a cycle? the water retention isnt permanent and will mostly subside once the heavy androgens are discontinued right?

im not questioning anyones logic or reasoning for useing adex durring a cycle but mostly trying to determine if its right for me to incorporate into my next cycle.

[Stonecold54]

well assuming you have done a few cycles without it, try putting it in your next cycle as see if you see a difference. I don't notice much difference to tell you the truth. after my first two cycles I don't get much bloat at all. I have gone up to 1500 mg of test a week and I don't see much bloat. my strength always seem to increase whether I am on it or not.

[Lmg2701]

I'm debating the same thing right now with the bulking cycle I'm about to start, I'm going to go without it for a little while and see how much bloat there is, if the bloat gets to bad I'll throw in a mild diuretic and then start with the armidex. I also like to use it while on clomid because I find it helps with the acne.

[muscledoc]

Can someone tell me what armidex is? I've tried to look it up in the profiles but it isnt there.

Thanx

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by muscledoc
Can someone tell me what armidex is? I've tried to look it up in the profiles but it isnt there.

Thanx

Active Life: 48 hours
Drug Class: Aromatase inhibitor (Oral)
Average Dose: 0.25 - 1.0 mg/day
Acne: Yes
Water Retention: No
High Blood Pressure: May reduce bp when using aromatizable steroids
Liver Toxic: Yes
Decrease HPTA function: No

Arimidex® (generic name is anastrozole) is a newer drug developed for the treatment of advanced breast cancer in women. It is manufactured by Zenica Pharmaceuticals and was approved for use in the United States at the end of December 1995. Specifically, Arimidex is the first in a new class of third-generation selective oral aromatase inhibitors.. It acts by blocking the enzyme aromatase, subsequently blocking the production of estrogen. Since many forms of breast cancer cells are stimulated by estrogen, it is hoped that by reducing amounts of estrogen in the body the progression of such a disease can be halted. This is the basic premise behind Nolvadex, except this drug blocks the action and not production of estrogen. The effects of Arimidex can be quite dramatic to say the least. A daily dose of one tablet (1 mg) can produce estrogen suppression greater than 80 % in treated patients. With the powerful effect this drug has on hormone levels, it is only to be used (clinically) by post-menopausal women whose disease has progressed following treatment with Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate). Side effects like hot flushes and hair thinning can be present, and would no doubt be much more severe in pre-menopausal patients.

For the steroid using male athlete, Arimidex shows great potential. Up to this point, drugs like Nolvadex and Proviron have been our weapons against excess estrogen. These drugs, especially in combination, do prove quite effective. But Arimidex appears able to do the job much more efficiently, and with less hassle. A single tablet daily (1 mg), the same dose use clinically, seems to be all one needs for an exceptional effect (some even report excellent results with only 0.25 mg daily). When used with strong, readily aromatizing androgens such as Dianabol or testosterone, gynecomastia and water retention can be effectively blocked. In combination with Propecia (finasteride), we have a great advance. With the one drug halting estrogen conversion and the other blocking 5-alpha reduction , related side effects can be effectively minimized. Here the strong androgen testosterone could theoretically provide incredible muscular growth, while at the same time being as tolerable as nandrolone. Additionally the quality of the muscle should be greater, the athlete appearing harder and much more defined without holding excess water.

There are some concerns with using an aromatase inhibitor such as this during prolonged steroid treatment however. While it will effectively reduce estrogenic side effects, it will also block the beneficial properties of estrogen from becoming apparent (namely its effect on cholesterol values). Studies have clearly shown that when an aromatase inhibitor is used in conjunction with a steroid such as testosterone, suppression of HDL (good) cholesterol becomes much more pronounced. Apparently estrogen plays a role in minimizing the negative impact of steroid use. Since the estrogen receptor antagonist Nolvadex is shown not to display an anti-estrogenic effect on cholesterol values, it is certainly the preferred from of estrogen maintenance for those concerned with cardiovascular health.

Arimidex has another principle drawback, namely the great price of this drug. Tablets can easily sell for $10 each, becoming quite costly with regular use. Clearly the price of an ancillary drug can be much greater than the steroids themselves, a situation destined not to be popular with recreational bodybuilders. Competitors on the other hand are likely to welcome this item. It can ward off the side effects of strong androgen therapy much better than Nolvadex and/or Proviron, making heavy cycles much more comfortable. As the number of countries manufacturing this drug increases, we may be able to look forward to a reduction in price. Privately compounded versions of "liquid Arimidex" have also been formulated "for research purposes" are also available. Generic tabs are also available and these two forms represent a very cost-effective alternative for buying the brand name drug.


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[Lmg2701]

Originally posted by muscledoc
Can someone tell me what armidex is? I've tried to look it up in the profiles but it isnt there.

Thanx

Same as liquidex.