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**KeepinItReal** · 12-23-03, 10:50 AM

I love your second cycle bro. Some may think it is too much, but if you are doing vet gear, those doses wont actually be as high as you put anyway. I like it though. I think you should wait around 14 weeks before starting your next cycle. The dick getting very hard may be a deca thing, may also be a depression thing without you even thinking you are too depressed. Try some 5HTP bro and see if that will bring up your libido high enough to get your preformance better.

For your acne, take some Kyolic which can be found online or at most heath stores. This will take out toxins in the skin layers and help clear it up. Along with this try to go tan every 4 days or so even if for just 15 minutes. Also, I would put pure rubbing alcohol on then, this will also help dry them out.

Finally, bro you were on for quite some time, dont rush coming back too fast. I would say the least amount of time you should wait is 12 weeks, but 14-16 would be better for yourself. Only way to really know is to get blood work done up on yourself. If your readings come out real good, then jump back on. If not stay off until your readings get back to norm. You could also try to do a faster acting gear cycle for your next mass cycle, and only go on for 10 weeks, jump off for 6 weeks and then jump on a cutter for 10-12 weeks being ready for spring/summer.

Hope this helped a bit. Just my 2cc's. PEACE! KIR

**anatole** · 12-23-03, 10:58 AM

there is a nice post on acnea in the "self care" section, use topical treatment like antibiotics.
i wont comment on your cycle after KIR ... although I think he said more or less implicitely that fina was to be used after several cycles (but he LOVES it!!) Peace

**goalkeeper** · 12-23-03, 10:59 AM

If I was going to do a faster acting cycle..what would that compose of and what would the cutting cylce after that compose of?

**hitmansb** · 12-23-03, 12:45 PM

-Ok...first of all, 20 weeks is WAY too long to run Deca....thus the reason that you are still not fully recovered.

-Also, I see that you didn't do any HCG...which is a must for PCT after a long run of Deca. Do so immediately.

-Do another run of clomid after the HCG, and then take at least 8 weeks off after that

-For cycle two, substitute EQ for the Deca to avoid being shut down again/further (400-600mg/week). Drop the amount of test down to 600mg, as there is no need to do more especially considering it'll only be your second cycle. You only need to run the dbol for the first 4 weeks, not 6.

**goalkeeper** · 12-23-03, 01:32 PM

thanks for the info...what is hcg? how much is it? is it legal? if so, where do i get it?

**KandAandM** · 12-23-03, 04:57 PM

Hey Bro....saw this and thought it would help your HCG question.

Human Chorionic Gonadrotropin

Description
Publication Date: March 22, 2001

by Bill Roberts - HCG is provided as a glycoprotein powder to be diluted with water, and acts in the body like LH, stimulating the testes to produce testosterone even when natural LH is not present or is deficient. It therefore is useful for maintaining testosterone production and/or testicle size during a steroid cycle. Use of this drug in the taper is rather counterproductive, since the resulting increased testosterone production is itself inhibitory to the hypothalamus and pituitary, delaying recovery. Thus, if this drug is used, it is preferably used during the cycle itself. A daily amount of 500 IU is generally sufficient, and in my opinion usage should not exceed 1000 IU per day.

Daily administration is superior to less frequent administration.

Doses over 1000 IU are noted for their tendency to cause or aggravate gynecomastia, and also act to desensitize the testicles to LH.

HCG may be injected intramuscularly, subcutaneously, or in a shallow injection about 1/4" deep with the needle going straight in. A 29 gauge insulin needle is recommended. Injection speed should be slow.

Some HCG products are diluted 5000 or even 10,000 IU per mL, while others are diluted 1000 IU per mL. So far as I know there is no need to make the preparation so dilute. Once mixed, the preparation should be refrigerated and used within a few weeks. The substance is also somewhat temperature sensitive before mixing and should not be exposed to excessive heat.

HCG does not correct the problem of progressively-decreasing ejaculatory volume that is typical during a steroid cycle. So far as I know the only cure is to go off-cycle and use Clomid, but it is possible that HMG, a related drug which works analogously to FSH might be useful during a cycle to treat this problem. HMG supports spermatogenesis and is commonly used in conjunction with HCG to treat male fertility problems. (Consider use of HMG to maintain ejaculatory volume to be a strictly past-the-cutting-edge hypothesis: I have not yet had the opportunity to test the matter.)

The athlete who would otherwise fail a urinary ratio test because of low epitestosterone may find HCG useful in increasing epitestosterone and therefore improving this ratio. A 500 IU dose is sufficient, but on the other hand, HCG itself is also banned by the IOC and is readily detected in urine.

HCG can also useful for returning testosterone to normal levels should levels be low post-cycle, or, with care, to increase levels from normal to high normal. Titration of the dose, by measuring T levels and then adjusting the HCG dose accordingly, is recommended for long term use.

**KandAandM** · 12-23-03, 05:01 PM

Here is the usual cost...

Product Name: PROFASI HP PROFASI HP
International Name: Pregnyl Pregnyl
Contents: 10,000 IU
Delivery: 1 amp
Manufacturer: Serono
Pharmacy Price: $21.00
Active Substances: Chorionic Gonadotropin

**KandAandM** · 12-23-03, 05:02 PM

Oh....and hiit up the board for a Reference Check with a secure email addy and I'm sure you'll get a response back on where to get it.

**smalls** · 12-23-03, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by hitmansb
-Ok...first of all, 20 weeks is WAY too long to run Deca....thus the reason that you are still not fully recovered.

-Also, I see that you didn't do any HCG...which is a must for PCT after a long run of Deca. Do so immediately.

-Do another run of clomid after the HCG, and then take at least 8 weeks off after that

-For cycle two, substitute EQ for the Deca to avoid being shut down again/further (400-600mg/week). Drop the amount of test down to 600mg, as there is no need to do more especially considering it'll only be your second cycle. You only need to run the dbol for the first 4 weeks, not 6.

If you want to be successfull in this game, follow this advice. Very good.

**KeepinItReal** · 12-24-03, 12:23 AM

FUCK HCG!!!!!!!!!!! :) Just my 2cc's. PEACE! KIR

**ectomorph** · 12-24-03, 12:35 AM

Hey goal what kind of gains did you see out of that cycle?? Just curious. Ecto

**KeepinItReal** · 12-24-03, 12:36 AM

Yo ecto, let it snow let it snow let it snowwwwwwwww. LOL. Damn doesnt feel like Christmas in Chgo without some damn snow. WTF! I'll never get to use my new snow blower. LOL PEACE! KIR

**goalkeeper** · 12-24-03, 09:34 AM

I gained about 20 pounds..and kept about 12

**DICKRICHARDS** · 12-25-03, 08:25 PM

bro, listen to everything that kir says, he will not steer u wrong and knows wtf he is talking about

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