My hands are killing me...

[Reload]

I've been on a combo of GH (Jin and Ansomone) for a little over a month now @ 2iu 7days/wk pm before bed. I'm starting to see a little body comp change but the pain in my hands is quickly negating any positives.

What the hell causes CP with GH and at what dose should I cut back to? I can't imagine going any higher on the dose and any lower it would seem I'm wasting it. Any one else get these sides and what did you do to make it more tolerable?
Am I lucky that such a small dose affects me this way?

Can/will I see continued improvements if I lower the dose?

[STALKER]

I THINK I WOULD DROP TO 5 DAYS ON 2 OFF.. AND TAKE IT NOT AT NIGHT BUT IN THE MORNING BUT THATS JUST MY OPINION AND FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES.. GENERAL STALKER

[Doom]

he lives...

you must be hypersensitive brotha, im surprised you got that off such a low dose...try wearing braces at night for your wrists, they sorta look like things bowlers wear

it help me a lil, but I think surgery is a comin, the pain is getting to be too much

[Reload]

I prefer to dose at night because I get so drowsy after taking it in the day...does this side dissapear eventually?
Doom...yes I live but with pain. Is this why so many heavies eventually resort to bain and oxy?
I will not go down that dark path!!

[Doom]

Originally posted by Reload
I prefer to dose at night because I get so drowsy after taking it in the day...does this side dissapear eventually?
Doom...yes I live but with pain. Is this why so many heavies eventually resort to bain and oxy?
I will not go down that dark path!!

The side may/may not adjust itself, body takes time to re boot to new things.
I would say that yes a good majoirty of guys are hooked on pain meds cause of this

as far as taking it before bed, its arguable at best, as Intim has showed some belive it does surpress pituitary release, but its really a matter of the half life, majority(GH brands) are any where from 3-7 hrs...I would try and inject at least 3 hrs before bed, so the highest spike of supplemenation is relased, and then the bodies natural production can still be promiment. Only reason I dont belive in the pituitary shutting down 100%. is becuse of Nutropin depot, and its controlled release delivery, the manufactorers Im sure took into account the P gland at its function while on this....the again its hard to find fact on supplementation, when most is written for rejuvination

[Reload]

I've read about the potential for shutting down your own natty GH...that concerns me. What I don't understand is how. I'm fully aware of exogenous Test and it's effect on the HPTA. GH governed by the same concept?
I'll try dosing in the morning and see if that lessens the joint pain in my hands. Guess I'm gonna have to drink more coffee in the am to stay the awake.
Doom, is the surgery a one time fix? I've heard of motorcross riders having tendon/fascia release surgery. Last thing I need is to be laid up in the hospital.

[Doom]

GH will make the body sensitive to a number of things, insulin sensitivity and thyroid laziness are almost 100% after long periods of time, but the use of T3 and test can help ease these things

As far as the surgery goes, it could be as simple as relieving the pressure off teh nerve, or it could be tendoinitis on to of it where cysits, could be building...my firends sister had this as well, its from being on the damn puter all day, plus I work with my hands, so it was bound to happen eventually

I go the othropedic in a few days, when he tells me exactly what it is I have, I wlll break it down for you

[STALKER]

HEY RELOAD I HAVE HAD SURGERY IN BOTH HANDS FOR CARPELL TUNNEL AND THE SURGERY IN FUCKING PAINFULL AS HELL.. I JUST HAD MY RIGHT HAND DONE A MONTH AGO AND ITS NO JOKE.. ASK INTIM3 HOW MUCH IT HURTS CAUSE I BITCH TO HIM EVERY FUCKING DAY ABOUT THE PAIN... I DIDNT EVEN KNOW I HAD IT AND DONT THINK I NEEDED IT BUT THEY WERE DOING SURGERY ANYWAY ON MY ELBOWS FOR TORN TENDONS AND LIGAMENTS SO I HAD IT DONE.. I ALMOST WISH I DIDNT HAVE IT DONE.. GENERAL STALKER :3some:

[Doom]

Originally posted by STALKER
HEY RELOAD I HAVE HAD SURGERY IN BOTH HANDS FOR CARPELL TUNNEL AND THE SURGERY IN FUCKING PAINFULL AS HELL.. I JUST HAD MY RIGHT HAND DONE A MONTH AGO AND ITS NO JOKE.. ASK INTIM3 HOW MUCH IT HURTS CAUSE I BITCH TO HIM EVERY FUCKING DAY ABOUT THE PAIN... I DIDNT EVEN KNOW I HAD IT AND DONT THINK I NEEDED IT BUT THEY WERE DOING SURGERY ANYWAY ON MY ELBOWS FOR TORN TENDONS AND LIGAMENTS SO I HAD IT DONE.. I ALMOST WISH I DIDNT HAVE IT DONE.. GENERAL STALKER :3some:

Oh this is real comforting to know...looks like I wont be working for sometime then, not sure whether this is a plus or minus?

[Reload]

[THEY WERE DOING SURGERY ANYWAY ON MY ELBOWS FOR TORN TENDONS AND LIGAMENTS SO I HAD IT DONE).

This is why I started GH in the first place...for a torn R rotaor cuff.
I was hoping to avoid shoulder surgery if possible...now I can't grip the 120's and I'm worried my toes will end up paying the ultimate sacrifice.
How the hell do the pro's handle 18iu/day?

Yep, I hear ya Doom on the T3 hence the PM. He won't be back till the 7th. As for the test...gotta hold off till the wife gets pregnant. No AAS in my bloodstream since March and the count is finally on the rebound. I've been on Clomid for 3 months straight trying to get my #'s up...and it's working! Were doing IVF + ICSI irregardless as we've been trying for close to 2 years.
This time next month (God willing) we'll be pregnant.
Say a prayer for us:)

[goliath]

don't get the surgery, and stop taking it ar night. if it doesn't go away, just stop taking it. my CTS got so bad that i had to quit. i was sleeping a total of about 3-4 hours a night. i would wake up feeling like the bones in my wrists and forarms were being crushed and burned. excruciating pain bro - like nothing i could have imagined if i hadn't felt it myself. it took about 6 weeks after stoping the injections for the pain to go away. i'm just one of those guys that is hyper-sensitive to it...sounds like you're in the same boat. ...and sleeping with wrist supports did fuck all for helping the pain.

[Reload]

I'm sitting on close to 2000iu of good GH and I may be hypersensitive to it? This is not good news.
The bone pain you describe is what I've been experiencing...a crushing sensation. WTF causes it and why only in the hands?

[Doom]

worse comes to worse reload, you know I will do what I can

[mcbvr6]

As you are trying to get the woman pregnant don't go back on AS or test. But you know that already. If the numbers don't get there consider hcg. It gets sperm count up but could eventually cause further shut down. My count was low I stuck with clomid and got the numbers up. After four months the wife got pregnant. My friend had been on deca for two years straight. His count was 2 sperm. Not 2 million but 2. After six months of weekly hcg his count was 179 million. He lost a lot of muscle but the wife should soon be pregnant.

I feel what you are going through. Just stick it out and it will happen. Best of luck to you.

[goliath]

Originally posted by Reload
WTF causes it and why only in the hands?

water retention...swelling of the carpal ligament. as the ligament swells, it puts pressure on the nerves and causes the pain. i was on anti-inflamatories and all kinds of crap. the only thing that made it go away for me was to just stop taking it. i gave the rest of my GH to my wife...