synovex conversion

[Colorao]

Mods, if this needs to be moved to Chem Forum that kewl


I'm trying to decide which kit to get to make a synovex conversion. The choices are RK's or Dazed. I'm not sure of the difference between them. Anyone with info willing to help?

Does RK's kit make TNE? Dazed just removes most of the estradiol right?

Thanks gents.

[Nekrawulf]

moving to chemistry

[Lmg2701]

RK makes TNE, dazed is suppose to yield test. prop.

[Reload]

Supposed to...
I've made a bunch of TNE with Animals kit. Requires ED injections though. Prop you can get away with EOD injects. Prop unfortunately can be a pain in the ass initially but you'll learn to love the pain. Dazed kit removes "most" of the estrodiol leaving you with Test Propionate.
Prop and suspension is readily available in it's raw form if you know where to look. Personally, I'm done converting pellets.
Fina is one thing but Synovex can be a bitch to convert. There are a few individuals that seem to be unaffected by the estrodiol left in the conversion process. I am not one of them. Make sure you have nolvadex on hand before dosing this stuff. The one up side to TNE and prop is it's short acting meaning if you start to develop gyno symptoms you can cut back on the dose or cut it completely out of your cycle. With TE and TC you don't have that fail safe.

[docflock]

can someone hook me up with the url for dazed's site

[beefcake]

www.eagleresearch.biz

[docflock]

thanks bro

[Doctor T]

If you are savvy it is possible to use NaOH as a catalyst for the EB in the Syno to dissolve it as Estradiol into water...It will then wash out of the insoluble TP pretty easy. Of course I would run a paper chromotography on your product just to be sure of purity until you're sure of your procedure. For more info just PM.

-Doc T

[chemikill]

Originally posted by Doctor T
If you are savvy it is possible to use NaOH as a catalyst for the EB in the Syno to dissolve it as Estradiol into water...It will then wash out of the insoluble TP pretty easy. Of course I would run a paper chromotography on your product just to be sure of purity until you're sure of your procedure. For more info just PM.

-Doc T

I was under the impression NaOH (aka caustic soda, aka sodium hydroxide), was used to cleave the ester from test prop and the outcome would be tne base...???
-chem.

[spidey]

Originally posted by Doctor T
If you are savvy it is possible to use NaOH as a catalyst for the EB in the Syno to dissolve it as Estradiol into water...It will then wash out of the insoluble TP pretty easy. Of course I would run a paper chromotography on your product just to be sure of purity until you're sure of your procedure. For more info just PM.

-Doc T

That won't work. The benzoate ester is attached to the 3-position, not the 17-position. NaOH is not basic enough to pull a proton off a secondary alcohol (17-OH) to make a water soluble salt.

Now, if the benzoate were on the 17-position to start with, that would indeed be the easiest way to separate the two. The phenolic 3-OH is quite acidic and is easily deprotonated by NaOH. Unfortunately, that just isn't the case.

[spidey]

Originally posted by chemikill
I was under the impression NaOH (aka caustic soda, aka sodium hydroxide), was used to cleave the ester from test prop and the outcome would be tne base...???
-chem.

Bingo.

[beefcake]

Let's say you didn't remove the estradiol from the synovex. And instead took an serm like nolva or clomid. Will the serm bind to the er and not allow the estradiol from the synovex to be able to bind or will some of it actually beat the serm to it? Not saying i'm going to do this, just hypothetically for shits and giggles.

[Skyefire]

Originally posted by beefcake
Let's say you didn't remove the estradiol from the synovex. And instead took an serm like nolva or clomid. Will the serm bind to the er and not allow the estradiol from the synovex to be able to bind or will some of it actually beat the serm to it? Not saying i'm going to do this, just hypothetically for shits and giggles.

I have heard of people doing this. DON"T DO IT. I just can't see any reason for anyone to do this as it just dumb. Yes you will see some awesome gains but is it worth it? If you run enough nolvadex you might not get gyno but I would bet on it even if a couple of people did it with out gyno.

[spidey]

Serms aren't 100% efficient (or even close to it). It's an equilibrium with the SERM popping on and off the receptor and estradiol also popping on and off. It's a competition in which the SERM has some advantage but not a total monopoly. I would guess that gyno would be a real risk.