How liver toxic is M-1-T?

[spidey]

There is a guy over at fitnessgeared that took M-1-T for 4 weeks at 20mg ed and has ended up with liver damage. His liver values were more than triple what the absolute worst values should be and he is having other symptoms like chronic vomiting and abdominal pain. He may have to be hospitalized.

I would be very careful with this stuff people. I was unwilling to try it until its liver toxicity was better known and now I am glad I did.

[spidey]

Here is his post for those of you who don't visit FG.

By DrtyJrzyGuy

I finsihed a four week cycle of m1t from kilosports about 2 weeks ago, i ran 20mged for four weeks because i THOUGHT i was having no sides. . . Then the pain started to increase. . . i orginally attributed the pain in my back as well as abdominal area to the lower back pains people complain about. . .but then i just started feeling like something just wasn't right with me. . . figured it was the flue and went to the doc to see what was up. . . After getting blood tests we found that my liver values where absolutly horrible. . . I'll scan in the sheet when i get home later tonight. Basically many of the values are more than triple what the absolute worst should be. I soon started having chronic vomitting and such, and have been feeling worse by the day. After getting a cat scan we discovered that my liver has been physically damaged, more than likely due to the use of the m1t according to my doctor. Basically there is lines of fat going through my liver, which my doctor stress's is only common in a few people, those who are alcoholics for many years and those who abuse anabolic steroids. . .

Now my doctor knows I have an interest in steroids, and I told him about the m1t. . . we got in a long discussion and he explained to me that he doesn't feel steroid use is bad, when done properly. He explained to me that oral steroids can cause liver failure if used over a long period of time, but that time is usualy a few years. . as was the case with the other person he said he had come in with basically the same problem. He can only guess that the M1T must simply be extremely liver toxic, he said if I was telling the truth about it only being four weeks that I may want to consider seeing an attorney. . . I am not the one to sue though, so i don't plan on that.

I'll post a full update later today as to our findings, he said it could be due to soemthign else, but he just feels that it isn't, that it was the M1t that has done this. . . He also feels that because o fmy young age and the severity right now that I may ultimately be hospitalized. . . thats basiclaly what i'll be finding out this week. . .

So my words of advice are simple, if your thinking about doing this stuff wait a week and hopefully someone, me unfourtunantly will be able to tell you exactly how liver toxic this product is. . .

BUT

I did make awsome gains and have kept 16lbs of muscle acording to my trusty fat calipers. . . however, it simply is not worht the price i may be paying. . .

[IntensityX]

It's a 17aa oral so it's going to be liver toxic but his seems to be a very rare case since everyone that I talked to and all the reveiws I've seen saying they all really liked it with little sides with no liver damage or problems whatsoever,it could be dosage related or it might be some hidden underlined condition that was developing and the M1T just aggrevated it further.

[Lmg2701]

Thought about given it a try, gonna hold off on that idea for a little while now. Better safe than sorry. 16 lbs of solid muscle is a whole hell of a lot to keep in only 4 weeks but not worth my liver.

[jipped genes]

some people just have trouble with methy gear of any kind my buddy ran winny at the end of his cycle at 25mg ed and had highly elevated values i ran dbol at 50 mg ed for 6 weeks two weeks off and started winny at 50 mg ed for 6 more wks with no probs at all.

[IntensityX]

Originally posted by jipped genes
some people just have trouble with methy gear of any kind my buddy ran winny at the end of his cycle at 25mg ed and had highly elevated values i ran dbol at 50 mg ed for 6 weeks two weeks off and started winny at 50 mg ed for 6 more wks with no probs at all.

That's another good point,everyone is different,it depends on certain people and how sensitive their liver and other organs are,I've seen people run high dosages of dbol and drol that would make the average man shake in fear and their liver values were high but not too high.

[MuGGsy]

I ran it at 40mg ed for 4 weeks and had absolutely no sides, I don't think it's worth the price personaly,but it's legal and it's definetly a good product.

[spidey]

Originally posted by IntensityX
It's a 17aa oral so it's going to be liver toxic but his seems to be a very rare case since everyone that I talked to and all the reveiws I've seen saying they all really liked it with little sides with no liver damage or problems whatsoever,it could be dosage related or it might be some hidden underlined condition that was developing and the M1T just aggrevated it further.

Some 17-AAS are more toxic than others; metribolone and miberolone come to mind.

I think it is pretty unlikely that this guy (as young as he is) with no medical background (one would presume) of liver problems had such a serious problem beforehand. Maybe if he was a serious alcoholic for a few decades but comon..... He sounds like he may have something akin to scirrosis (sp?).

Liver problems are asymptomatic much of the time until the problem is very serious and sometimes close to irreversable. These people who "had no sides" could have had horrendous liver values and they would not have known unless they had the bloodwork or actually physically damaged their liver. I don't put much faith in ancidotal evidense when it comes to liver toxicity. Why don't a few of you who insist on using it anyway get your liver checked after 2 weeks and 4 and let us know what they are?

[prolangtum]

Originally posted by John ROAR
I ran it at 40mg ed for 4 weeks and had absolutely no sides, I don't think it's worth the price personaly,but it's legal and it's definetly a good product.

worth the price? You can find 60 5mg tabs for $10. Pretty cheap IMO.

As for its toxicity, I think it is along the same lines as drol, maybe 50mgs of drol is equal to 25mgs of M 1T. At least from my personal experience.

[MuGGsy]

Hrmm, I bought a bottle for 80 bucks and ended up needing a second.. I'll try to dig it up andsee what the dosage was... to tired right now :p obviously the price(s) have changed or we bought from a different place, but with a good price i would run it again.

[MuGGsy]

I'll be the lab rat if you want to buy me a couple bottles :p

[Skywalker]

Originally posted by John ROAR
I'll be the lab rat if you want to buy me a couple bottles :p

do you have access to a lab where you can get your blood tested frequently, because it would be worth it to me and the community to buy you a few bottles if you could provide us with some empirical evidence :D

there is a guy over at anabolicminds with access to a lab and he is taking bloods tests very frequently (running M-1-T at 20mg)

take a read if youre interested:
http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=12132

[Cogar]

The post did not mention what his liver values were to start with and I am guessing that he never had that testing done before. Without starting values, there is no way to know when he developed his problem. Although this is not good news, it is hardly surprising. Everyone knew it would only be a matter of time before someone had a problem and laid it on M 1-T use, whether it was the cause or not. (I am not judging the guy, by the way.)

[spidey]

I am not a member over there. Could you give us a summary of his results? How long has he been taking it and are his enzymes going up at all?

[Cogar]

Originally posted by spidey
I am not a member over there. Could you give us a summary of his results? How long has he been taking it and are his enzymes going up at all?

To paraphrase the thread, he started taking M 1-T on Dec. 26. The values are in the process of going where you would expect them to go. ;) The same member posted another thread about his recovery from a previous cycle (link). Everything went OK. He is a medical lab tech of some sort and can have as many tests as he wants.