Cycle Help & Opinions Needed

[Mattingly]

What's up boyz? Want some input here, helping a friend design 1st cycle. He's a big boy, 6'3" 280lbs. Bodyfat is a little high now but he is gonna do a cycle with or without me so I figured with me is the way to go. His goals are general strength gains and bodyfat loss. I'm thinking test, eq and clen, t3. Any other opinions???

[Mattingly]

Come on guys...anything???

[Murtle]

Is it is first cycle.

Murtle

[Mattingly]

Yes, first cycle

[Murtle]

I would just run the test alone with the t3 and clen.

[Chadd77]

Or have him lower his bodyfat by a good clean diet and then have him start his first cycle.

[Lmg2701]

Diet and Cardio can do wonders but if he's hard headed like most of my friends I'd go with Test. Prop/Winny/T-3/Clen.

[spidey]

Be careful with the T3. That is one of the most powerful hormones bodybuilders use and is generally considered not for the beginner. He could permanently fry his thyroid if he screws up.

A good ECA stack would be much safer and probably nearly as effective. Why not have him do a moderate AS cycle with low androgen/high anabolic AS like maybe 500mg test + 300mg deca for 10 weeks along with clen and ECA. He should pick up some good LBM and lose some BF with that.

Weeks 1-10: test enan (cyp) 500mg ew + deca 300mg ew
weeks1-10: Liquidex (0.5mg ed)
weeks 4-5: clen 20mcg,40,60,80,100,120,120x8
weeks 6-7: ECA (25mg,400mg,220mg) I think 220mg aspirin is 4 baby aspirins.
weeks 8-9: Clen 120mcg ed.
weeks 10-11: ECA
weeks 12-13: Clomid at 100mg ed for 7 days and 50mg ed for 7 days.

He should get some bloodwork done before he starts to establish baseline values for liver, kidneys, lipid profile, and test levels.

about 2 weeks after clomid therapy, he should get the blood work done again and compare values. Pay special attention to test levels on this one as that will tell him if his HPTA has recovered.

[Lmg2701]

Originally posted by spidey
Be careful with the T3. That is one of the most powerful hormones bodybuilders use and is generally considered not for the beginner. He could permanently fry his thyroid if he screws up.

This is true, but it could be just as ture if you screw up with clen or any other substance for that matter. I don't find T-3 to be as bad as most say. However if your friend isn't discipline and is one of those that think "well ok, more is better" than no, T-3 is not for him. However if used like it's suppose to be it can help greatly in aiding to lose fat. Just make sure there are no previous thyroid problems that he may have.

[Atrain]

Spidey...great reply!!

Personally I love EQ so I would rather use EQ over Deca...but either way is fine. Throwing in some winny like LMG said might not be a bad idea either.

[Mattingly]

Thanks to all great replies! Do you guys think liquidex is necessary at only 500mg??? Will have nolva on hand to be safe if he is sensitive.

[trapattack]

i would run the ldex because it will keep the bloat down, and have the nolva on hand

[Mattingly]

LMG - no thyroid issues with him or his family. Believe me guys I gave the speech about dieting down further naturally, cardio, etc. He's gonna do it so I want to make sure he avoids mistakes I and others made on their first cycles. I was afraid to post this but he was at my house and he was all excited and wanted to hear the opinions of others as well. He's a dork!